Artist's impression of LCROSS watching the Centaur upper stage it guided smash into the moon. After the first collision, the instruments on LCROSS will measure the properties of the material the collision kicks up. Then it too smacks into the moon.
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NASA moon bombing successful. Did we find water?
By Pete Spotts | 10.09.09
NASA did it. NASA bombed the moon.
Its LCROSS mission punched two new craters in the moon this morning, and only about a minute behind schedule (see video below).
As for whether LCROSS kicked up evidence for water on the moon (the object of the exercise), the jury is still out.
It will take scientists a couple of weeks to figure out if the shadowed area of Cabeus crater holds any water ice. Visually, not much seemed to happen. Michael Bicay, the science director a NASA’s Ames Research Center said: “It’s hard to tell what we saw here.”
But if the science team does find water? How do you get at it, especially if it’s covered with moon dust? Just nuke it in a microwave!
That’s an approach Ed Ethridge and his colleagues are experimenting with at NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center in Hunstville, Ala. It’s a way of turning radio waves into a wringer.
Using simulated moon dirt, they found that under very cold, moon-like temperatures and in a vacuum, a standard household microwave oven would heat the lunar soil, causing ice that had condensed on the soil’s grains to change directly from solid directly to gas. By trapping and cooling the gas, they got liquid water.
The approach clearly isn’t ready for prime time, Dr. Ethridge cautioned during a phone chat. But it is a proof of principle, he says.
If it works on real lunar soil, it could eliminate the need to dig up icy soil with heavy machinery and run it through energy-hunger water-removal equipment.
Typically, when you cook with a microwave, he says, the microwaves are heating up the water molecules in the food — cooking from the inside out. But heating ice itself is a different issue. Take that frozen chicken you defrosted as an example. It took several minutes. That’s because the oven is operating at less than full power. But it also takes time because ice doesn’t respond to microwaves as readily as liquid water does, Ethridge explains.
In the case of lunar soil, the microwaves heated it just enough, even at liquid-nitrogen temperatures, to warm the ice, which then vaporized.
Dr. Etheridge’s team extracted 99 percent of the simulated soil’s water content.
With data from the experiment well in hand, Ethridge says his group wants to measure the properties of true lunar soil archived at the Johnson Space Center. Then the team can plug that information into their computer models to gage how lunar soil would respond to microwaves.
Lunar-outpost designs call for recycling virtually everything possible, Ethridge notes. But those designs still envision loses — to the tune of about a ton of water and a ton of oxygen a year.
If microwaving lunar soil proves practical, it could provide a relatively simple way to replenish those losses. And, he adds, “we wouldn’t have to strip-mine the moon to do it.”
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2. Julie-Soleil | 10.09.09
As of destroying earth wasn’t enough. Can we have some place be kept pure and untouched? I don’t know, like the moon?
Julie-Soleil
3. S. Sandlin | 10.09.09
Now we’ve “bombed” the moon? It’s too radical for me not to wonder what the risks are. And what is it, exactly, that is supposed to be so beneficial?
6. P Class | 10.09.09
I just can’t believe it - on the day Obama is awarded the Nobel, we’re about
bombing the Moon! And, planning on strip-mining it!
8. Vic Sensei | 10.09.09
NASA and/or the U.S. has taken liberties of the moon, as if they own this piece of real estate? And what immediate urgency is there to find out if there is water there or not? Why can’t we reexamine our priorities by attending to earth problems, for instance, water problem issues here?
9. Penny Haulman | 10.09.09
Why don’t we just bomb the Eye of God for the Night time. Water? or Tears, does NASA want? I say Bomb NASA. This world is so ignorant they want to Bomb the Moon? Wack Jobs. Men are so ignorant. Stupid stupid, stupid.
10. Samatha | 10.09.09
i dont thnk we should have bombed the moon, there is no sense in it we have enough water here on Earth and even if we do find water on the moon it will eventually run out. It was completely pointless bombing the moon you should be ashamed.
12. Darrean | 10.09.09
It was obviously a controlled experiment, nothing negative happened.
People once thought having a computer taking up an entire bulding seemed ridiculous, now we completely rely on it.
Who knows what discoveries this might have?
13. Frank | 10.09.09
Why do all you people even care if they bombed the moon? Why are you so upset? Because the moon is so precious and romantic? It’s a giant rock, go ahead and bomb it, they won’t destroy it because it does have some important orbital uses, NASA is anything but stupid.
14. M | 10.09.09
It takes years to plan a mission like this.. probably around 10-15 years to get the initial concept through design. It wasn’t a last minute “lets screw over the american people when everyone needs money” situation. NASA’s mission is to explore space, not solve the world’s problems. There are other groups in the government that are supposed to be solving world hunger. This mission is intended on looking for signs that life may have one time existed on the moon, so by using an innovative approach that probably saved a lot of money by not requiring an extended mission to return a spacecraft to the earth, they hit the moon and looked at the dust. It’s not like they are destroying anything. Besides looking for water on the moon, there were probably many technologies that had to be developed for this mission that will most likely be able to be used in other applications. The minute you quit funding technological advancement is when you lose your jobs and ability to continue to advance as a society.
15. libby | 10.09.09
i think that bombing the moon was kind of stupid. NASA is thinkin that if we find water we can establish settlements on the moon. well u kno wat??? i dont want to see buildings when i look at the moon!!!
16. Matt | 10.09.09
It’s not about solving Earth’s water Problem, it’s about Solving the Cost Prohibitiveness of getting water on the Moon.
The point of getting water of the Moon is to enable Space travel and colonies in the future. Water is the most expensive thing to put in space because of it’s density. To put it in context Human poop is worth more than it’s weight in gold in on the moon because of it’s water content. If we did not have to send water to the moon, it would be financially more feasable to actually have moon based colonies and sites. The potential for scientific and economic growth are enormous.
In answer to the point of the water running out.
Water get’s recycled in it’s environment, it doesn’t run out, even on Earth. The problem on Earth is distribution and access to water, whether it be normal changes, or man made. It’s a question of where it gets placed, and how extracable is it at any given time. The water would be used in enclosed Moon Bases and or Space stations and crafts. It would be up to us to recycle that water and not waste it, since it is so extremely expensive.
The big picture is how much water is on the Moon and how much can be extracted, and at what cost(hopefully cheaper than sending up from Earth)?
17. Leinaa | 10.09.09
wata heck?!?! can we live peacefully at least for some time??? now we BOMB the moon??? people there are homeless people right now because of budget cuts, there are people that are doing bankrupsy and we waste money on some “seeking water on moon”???? COME ON!!!! what you dont have enough room on mother earth???
19. Nick | 10.09.09
I think it was a cool concept. Who knows, they’re still reviewing the results, it may take weeks to go over all the footage and pictures to discover if anything significant happened. I don’t think people should be upset about it, debris in space collides all the time with the moon and other masses in space. It’s not like the schoolbus sized bomb we threw at it would likely have any damaging effects on it.
20. Ren | 10.09.09
you guys are hippies because if the earth dies out we might need the moon and this information will help prepare us.
21. Alan | 10.09.09
I’m just glad to see that NASA is still running and finding innovative ways to increase our understanding of space. Finding a usable source of water on the moon could be key to future manned missions, including mars. Anybody who is concerned that we are going to destroy or damage the moon should take note of the many other craters dotting its surface. The billions of asteroids and comets out there are way more likely to do our precious satellite damage than we are. Chill out people, it’s just good science.
22. Spencer | 10.09.09
People are calling NASA ignorant for “bombing” the moon and accusing them of destroying it? If you understood the actual nature of the mission and the effects of a blast like that on the moon, you’d find your own comments quite ignorant.
23. Jeremy | 10.09.09
To all in support of the experiment: While your explanations are quite realistic and fundamentally sensical to the advancement of our society, the fact remains that we have been in an econmic “situation” currently. While it may have taken a decade to plan this event, putting off an expense such as this I’m sure would not have been a dire consequence. Futhermore, while space stations on the moon would greatly improve our explorations and/or space building, these would be astronomical expenses we are no in way prepared, considering we can’t decide on he simplest things to spend our tax dollars on in the current turbulent times.
24. Canuck | 10.09.09
The ignorance of some of the comments being made here is simply mind-boggling!
The word “bomb” is being blown completely out of proportion here!
NASA is not going to BREAK the moon, OK?
The impact that a 2-ton object falling out of lunar orbit is completely insignificant in comparison to impacts of MUCH larger impacts from asteroids, etc.
Copernicus is 93km in diameter.
25. Richard | 10.09.09
As to the statement that we have been in an economic crisis lately, and therefore should have postponed any expensive NASA projects, I would like to state that NASA is a small fraction of the US budget. If you think we should tone down our spending, perhaps the elephant in the room should be pointed out. The US spends appx. $17 billion per annum on NASA and appx. $515 billion on military spending, nearly 30 times greater. As an American, I can agree that during times of hardship, we need to tighten the belt. I just think that the tightening should be commensurate with the percentage of the budget. And to those who think that “bombing” the moon is “ignorant”, I say that your statement is unfounded and facile. NASA is a scientific agency and did not intend to harm or kill any creature by means of this experiment. It did however try to understand a little more of our universe.
26. Jane R. | 10.09.09
Well everyone is missing the point of the bombing, it was to see if there was “water on the moon’. Did they find water on the moon? Well they are not explaining it on the interviews or news channels.
27. david h | 10.10.09
water H2O is part oxygen to breathe and grow things and hydrogen at least as a form of energy for anything you might need it for
28. nawalfleet | 10.10.09
dear america
it is a great experience…but may be you can discover somthing not like water but may be we can discover somthing like minerals or if we discover some fossils or even petrol but not its refined material or maybe some kinds of amino bacteria…that is not usual or known on our plant…it will be somthing amazing or may be if you made time machine to see how this area looks like before it was totaly forbiden from the sun light.&if it was forbidden from some light of the sun before two millions year how it looks like before this area&why it becomes like that now….i wish you good luck for you nassa may be next time you can find diamonds…my best wishes to you my beloved nassa …i am with you step by step…nawal
29. Jessica | 10.10.09
Last time I checked the Earths surface was 70% water. Why is NASA using the taxpayers money to go look for something that (if it was there) we probably wouldn’t be able to transport it for another 15 or 20 years anyway,so many tests, launches. We should cut funding to NASA and use the taxpayers moeny for more desalinization factories, and use the resources that are only a few miles away rather than thousands of miles away.
30. Nick Ortloff | 10.10.09
I disagree with the people who say “Don’t bomb the moon!” Whats the big deal? Its not a nuke basically we were throwing this rocket at it in an attempt to spit the moon dust into the air to get data. This data was the only purpose we did no damage to the moon really I mean come on no one even lives there.
Think about this what happens when we run out of water? Lets say mars has a potential to have water(which we already know does) and we have or are running out why not get some water?
Seriously I see no big deal with what we are doing we are exploring space which needs to be done. Our sun is going to explode before it dies this process does take a long time and wont happen for awhile but when it does the earth will die. We need to figure out how to inhabit other planets to survive and to survive is our mission.
31. Sasha | 10.10.09
This was a fascinating experiment with still unknown, far-reaching discoveries to be made. Yes, our economy is in a bad spot, but most of the money for this project probably went into the hardware, which was developed over a period of years. Delaying it wouldn’t have made that much of a difference to the budget. And yes, there are homeless people. One thing that space exploration promises is somewhere for members of our overcrowding species to go. And of course, not all homeless people are homeless for purely economical reasons. Those people would not necessarily be helped through economic programs.
33. chad | 10.10.09
lol for the whoever said if the earth died we are going to need the moon , honey if the earth died we are all going down with it , what makes u think any of us would be chosen to be taken to the moon ahhahahah , pretty much cool for nasa for doing what they are doing, i respect everyone’s opinion but honestly we wouldnt be here now without exploring , its part of human nature to find answers , and for all of us here on earth we are a lost cause , peace , love , and mind altering drugs .
34. Shah | 10.10.09
What is the point in opening a pandoras box of new age excuses about water by bombing the moon? It’s a gift from God we should respect that.
I can see a future where more and more powerful bombs will be tested on the moon doesn’t it make you wonder what new viruses etc are buried beneath the moons surface, personally i think we should heal our own planet before defacing another, maybe its best left alone, but the excuse will probably be “water research” how do we know it wasn’t a bomb test and what if another explosion would change our moons orbit or if the mass of the moon were to decrease due to the water being consumed wouldnt that affect the speed of the moons orbit? We could be left in high tide permanently not to mention the ice caps melting wouldnt we be drowned with so much water maybe they should look to a more reliable resource like “The Brain” and start using it. lol
36. Jeff | 10.10.09
Wow, are you people really this ignorant?
They did not attack the moon. They are not looking for water to bring to Earth for us to drink here.
They are looking for water on the moon that will be used by bases that we will setup on… you guessed it, the moon!
We need to setup a base on the moon because it offers us access to resources that do not exist on Earth, things that will be needed for fusion energy which will benefit every living human alive.
We need to setup a base there to use it as a springboard for mining and colinization missions to other planets and asteroids so that we can benefit every living human alive.
All of you benefit from the technology created for space missions, yet you constantly yell that Nasa is a waste of funds.
So, next time you use your microwave oven, cell phone, laptop computer or other host of tech devices, remember that those were perfected using technology developed for the space program.
37. A Rational Guy | 10.10.09
To those people who say ‘We have enough water on Earth’, much of that is undrinkable salt water. Of all the water on our planet, .01% of it is drinkable.
38. Eric | 10.10.09
To add on to the conversation, I must admit, “bombing” the moon sounded rather crazy. However, I suppose that there was a good reason for it, although it would have been nice to have that money going towards other efforts. All they REALLY had to do was get one of those TV satellites and diret it towards the moon at high speed. Sure, some people would have lost reception, but that can easily be replaced in the long run. Or, maybe use space junk. There were plenty of different alternatives…
39. Richard | 10.11.09
One question…why if we technology to become a multi-planet species would we not pursue it? As the old saying goes…don’t put all your chickens in one basket.
40. Read Articles, not just one | 10.11.09
It doesn’t really matter if we bomb the moon, really.
Look at it. The moon is a crater-laden rock. I don’t think it cares about having an old rocket driven into it.
Oh no, we’re destroying the moon’s integrity!
What integrity?
Anyway, if the probe doesn’t find anything, I’d love to see some nuking.
Microwave nuking, not another “bomb”.
41. Max | 10.11.09
We are supposed to be having a recession. Why are we spending 79million to bomb the moon? What kind of affect will this have on the earth? What if the bombing knocks the moon off of it’s axis a little bit? this can affect weather and etc.
42. pandora51464 | 10.11.09
Am I the only one whom believes that ANY bombing destroying of planets, satellites, etc, should be approved by the world nations? What in the Moon is going on?
43. Candy | 10.11.09
I think that they have no right to take over the moon and do what they please with it. What is the big urgge to find water? Could it be that the gov. is hiding something from all of us. Something that might involve all our lives?
44. Adam | 10.11.09
I can’t believe people are making such a freaking big deal about launching hunks of metal at the moon… People, no one is getting hurt, no one is going to die, we are not going to kill any trees, and its a damn shame that NASA doesn’t have the adequate funding we need to do even MORE! Isn’t it obvious? Space is quite literally the ‘final frontier’ and if we don’t get a jump on exploring it NOW, way may never get the chance. God knows what the outcome of the near future is going to be, but I think we need to put a little more of that mis-spent money that the government is using to try to make everyone happy with their socialist agenda (We all know how that turns out: you can make some people happy some of the time but not all people happy all of the time) and put it towards developments that acutally ARE going to help us in the future! Jesus people, I have never seen so many narrow-minded sissys as decide to leave comments like “OMG they are bombing the moon!?” CMON GROW UP.
45. Jake | 10.12.09
Not one comment here pointing out the fact that this is the first time any country in the world has pinpointed an object in space and then guided a rocket into it - or at any rate doing this publicly. The point being - that despite NASA giving its four reasons for conducting this ‘test’ as solely about finding evidence of underground water on the moon, this is just as much about testing weapons and guidance systems in space.
It doesn’t matter whether we label the weapon a ‘rocket, ‘bomb’ or ‘missile’ - the outcome is the same.
Our Moon, like the Sun, has made life on earth possible for us all - regulating tides, stabalizing our planet and absolutely intrinsic to women’s natural cycles ie. human reproduction. Somehow this aggressive ’scientific’ act seems to embody all that is sadly lacking in our modern western society - a respect for nature, a sense of deep connection to the world around us, and some humility about our place in the universe.
If testing for water on the moon means crudely shooting missiles at it, then I would argue that NASA is simply not yet technologically advanced enough to undertake this experiment in the first place. However I seriously doubt this is their main motive.
46. maegan | 10.12.09
We find out if other planets ahve water or if their moons have water without bombing them? I do not understand why we would need to bomb our moon, which could be oober dangerous. Did we do it to find out more than just if we have water?? Is NASA hiding anything from the public? If so, why??
47. Jeff | 10.12.09
All I can say is, “Wow.” Not at the moon mission, but some of the comments here. Are you joking, or is our educational system in worse shape than I thought? If you want to add to the dialog, please at least read the article and not just the headline.
48. Spike Mike | 10.12.09
Everyone this will make you understand why we did this I promise this will switch you from naysayer to NASA enthusiast. They are trying to find water on the moon, because water can be turned into Hydrogen! If we have Hydrogen powered space craft we can then use the moon as a refueling base to start a space mission. You ask “Why not just use Earth’s water to do this?” The reason is A. Why carry water out into space with you can just carry fuel. and more importantly B. It takes a LOT more fuel to leave Earth than it does to leave the moon. The reason for that being the Earth not only has greater gravitational pull, but it also has atmosphere that passing through it is for lack of a better phrase “a pain in the ass!”, lol. Now… As far as this so-called “damage”. What they just did was NOT bomb the moon. They crashed a couple small space craft into the pole of the moon to see if there is water vapor in the dust plumes. They did not crash a bomb into the moon and blow any part of it up. Now you people might be like “Well, what they are doing is pointless, we won’t be able to travel anywhere worthwhile in Space anytime soon so why does it even matter?” Well that’s simple, because if we don’t start now by the time this planet IS destroyed it will be too late. All of this Space work by NASA prepares us for space travel in time to save the human race when the time comes, well that is a GOOD thing, believe me ppl…
49. Shawn D | 10.12.09
Wow… do these people not know how to read, or what? This was not a mission to find life, or find water sources for Earth. This was a mission to find water resources to supply a lunar station. They are trying to find a way to offset the resourse loss that they will experience. I, personally, do not think we will ever make it to building an outpost on the moon, but oh well… Kudos for dreaming…
50. Dick | 10.12.09
NASA is definitely not stupid. Nor are they benign.
You might find interesting the video “Arsenal of Hypocrisy” available from space4peace.org. It traces the military origins and increasing military ties and uses of NASA.
There’s also the pursuit of the “greatest engineering project in human history” — the creation of a space mining industry. NASA itemizes all the possible uses of the various minerals present on the moon and says their moon mining missions are to “expend the economic sphere of the earth.” The aerospace companies involved in this multi-trillion-dollar effort are quite frank about where the money will have to come from. It’ll be from all those “entitlements” that keep our society operating at the basic level at which it is still managing to function.
The heavy lifting this industry will require cannot be supported by solar or magnetic power. It will require nuclear power, which not only places the whole planet at risk from launch or boost-phase accidents to carriers of such material, but also creates a precedent for nuclear-powered weapons in space, which are part of the explicit intentions of StratCom, the self-styled “masters of space” and coordinators of all U.S. military activity, intended to be capable of denying all other nations access to space at our discretion.
The bombing of a heavily cratered surface may be philosophically or aesthetically offensive, but the intentions behind and consequences of that activity are positively dangerous to our society.
51. Rich Grise | 10.13.09
I saw the Apollo 11 landing live on TV. Even back then, people were whining,
“Why don’t we spend the money here, where it’s needed?”
Well, we’ve been doing just that for the last 40 years, and what has it
bought us? More wars, more starvation, welfare dependency, and choking
socialism.
Why go to the moon? Because it’s there. (OK, I’ll take my tongue out of
my cheek now). It’s because we believe in the human spirit of exploration,
human achievement, and the future of humankind in general.
And complaining about money? If the US would stop spending billions and billions of taxpayer dollars making wars and saber-rattling all over the world, the savings would pay for the entire NASA budget for its entire existence, many times over.
52. idiot | 10.13.09
ok - I’m a little confused. So does having more people on the earth create more mass? So, we’re going to colonize the moon? Is there any gravity on the moon? Does the dust that is exploded settle back down to the moon? Does mass matter to orbiting chunks of rock? Back to my original question - if we colonize the moon does the mass that leaves the earth account for anything? did scientists know that being extremely drunk prevents free radicals from attaching to organs and the blood stream? Let me get this straight - NASA has cancelled almost all of its projects due to a lack of funding - i thought NASA had all but closed their doors during the last admin - but this is a must? Is there something I’m missing here? So, is it time to consider getting off of our rock? hum!
53. Mist Class 5 | 10.14.09
NASA Rocks! We support its exploration!
Mr. Anderson’s Grade 5 Geography class.
54. Angry Dragon | 10.14.09
How could NASA do this?! So called scientist. They should worry more on creating better ways to recycle and help pollution, than worry about more water! We have enough water on Earth! With all these water levels rising drastically, you think they’d find a way to lower it.
This is a disgrace to all those who really want to do something but can’t. I can’t believe I liked NASA. First, they’re attacking Mars to see if we are able to sustain ourselves on that planet. And now, the Moon. CAn’t they get satisfaction through resolving and rebuilding, instead of destroying and researching.
55. Derrick | 10.14.09
Finding water on the moon is essiential to the possibility of building basses there. And for everyone who says we should worry about our problems here instead of spending money on space exploration the truth is that what we are doing is securing the future of the human race. Believe it or not the sun will eventually run out of energy and the earth will be no more. If we are to live on we must colinize other worlds and the moon is just the first baby step. So all of you who say we are wasting time and money and that our money should be spent on problems on earth now instead of space exploration are basically speaking against the long term survival of the human race!!!
56. gina | 10.15.09
I think that what NASA discovers will help us in our future so everyone stop complaining,,be thankful that acutally want to explore things in order to help humanity,,the moon acutally does a big part,,cuz if it has signs of life that can be plan b ,,after the Earth has gone BOOOOMMMM>>>>>>>>
57. gina | 10.15.09
I think that what NASA discovers will help us in our future so everyone stop complaining,,be thankful that acutally they want to explore things in order to help humanity,,the moon acutally does a big part,,cuz if it has signs of life that can be plan b ,,after the Earth has gone BOOOOMMMM>>>>>>>>
58. James | 10.16.09
Based on the total failure of the 60% to 70% of commenter’s to remotely grasp the purpose, intent, or method of this experiment I recommend the video URL at the bottom of my rant as a more detailed rebuttal to those of you who have failed to understand that this was:
Not: to find water for earth,
Not: an attack on the moon,
Not: to discover ancient lunar life forms (?!)
It WAS to
…
Kick up some dust,
Analyze it.
And see if it contained evidence of water.
…
The purpose being,
To make future moon bases more affordable and feasible,
Many of you could star in a video like this, without coaching
Enjoy.
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/obama_drastically_scales_back
59. nibbynintyfive | 10.16.09
its preaty cool that they boomed the moon. it will be awsome if we can can move up there in i a ahile!
60. James | 10.17.09
Based on the total failure of the 60 to 70% of commenter’s to remotely grasp the purpose, intent, or method of this experiment I recommend the video URL at the bottom of my rant as a more detailed rebuttal to those of you who have failed to understand that this was:
Not: to find water for earth,
Not: an attack on the moon,
Not: to discover ancient lunar life forms (?!)
It WAS to
…
Kick up some dust,
Analyze it
And see if it contained evidence of water
…
The purpose being,
To make future moon bases more affordable and feasible,
Many of you could star in a video like this, without coaching
Enjoy.
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/obama_drastically_scales_back
62. Mike | 10.19.09
Humans need water to survive. Like previously noted water weighs a lot due to it’s density, therefore we would have to burn so much fuel (money) to haul it up into space. We want to extract it from the moon, purify it, then build stations up there so people or scientists can live. Just think, if we can build a station on the moon then we are some 250,000 miles closer to Mars and whatever else is out there. This was masterful. Before writing it off as something stupid, please learn the facts and realize what this could do.
63. joe | 10.20.09
we bomb the moon…make us fall out of orbit, find water…then how do we get it to earth? or do we go to the moon… good thinking NASA. Another no brainer with our money……..!
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1. kali | 10.09.09
I think the whole bombing the moon thing is pretty cool. if it helps us out, then i’m all for it