A 100-ton piece of the Large Hadron Collider is lowered into the cave beneath Meyrin, Switzerland. (Martial Trezzini/Keystone/AP/FILE)
Could the Large Hadron Collider destroy Earth?
By Chris Gaylord | 07.01.08
Now that the European Large Hadron Collider (LHC) is completed and ready to fire up in August, a slew of articles have popped up quoting doomsayers. An AP article from this weekend was the most recent example of critics warning that the 17-mile, $5.8 billion supercollider – which will slam protons together in an attempt to learn more about the building blocks of the universe – will inadvertently create a black hole that will gobble up the Earth.
So, will the most ambitious science project in human history end human history? No.
I should say “no, according to scientists working on the LHC.” But the evidence points to a resounding “no.”
A study released last month disassembled the arguments against powering up the collider. The report found “no basis for concerns that [small] black holes from the LHC could pose a risk to Earth on timescales shorter than the Earth’s natural lifetime.” In other words: Yes, it could happen, but chances are the sun will burn out before this collider can have an Earth-ending mishap.
Their reasoning? Slashdot puts it best: “Everything that will be created at the LHC is already being created by cosmic rays. If a black hole created by the LHC is interactive enough to destroy the world within the lifetime of the sun, similar black holes are already being created by cosmic rays.”
If such black holes were naturally flinging around in the universe, they would bump up against “dense cosmic objects,” such as neutron stars, and over time the black holes would swallow the star. But, from looking through telescopes we know that there are plenty of old neutron stars around. So, if it’s safe for them, it’s also safe for us. “Any black hole that could be created at the LHC, even if it is stable, would have no effect on the earth on any meaningful timescale,” Slashdot says.
This conclusion is backed by the European agency that runs the LHC, a panel of independent scientists, the US Department of Energy, the US National Science Foundation, and science star Stephen Hawking – who argues that even if black holes developed, “they would instantly evaporate.”
That’s good enough for me.
For more LHC coverage, check out:
Europe’s Large Hadron Collider tests the bounds of physics – and budgets
As a massive atom smasher powers up, ‘Big Science’ moves away from the US
Comments
2. JTankers | 07.01.08
“That’s good enough for me.”
Perhaps you are convinced too easily!
“they would bump up against “dense cosmic objects,” such as neutron stars”
CERN’s SPC Committee “A powerful argument applicable also to higher energies is formulated making reference to observed neutron stars, but this argument relies on properties of cosmic rays and neutrinos that, while highly plausible, do require confirmation, as can be expected in the coming years.”
“even if black holes developed, “they would instantly evaporate.”
* Dr. Adam D. Helfer: Do black holes radiate? “no compelling theoretical case for or against radiation by black holes”
* Dr. William G. Unruh and Prof. Ralf Schützhold: On the Universality of the Hawking Effect “Therefore, whether real black holes emit Hawking radiation or not remains an open question”
* Prof. V.A. Belinski: On the existence of quantum evaporation of a black hole “the effect [Hawking Radiation] does not exist.”
The counter arguments are good enough for me to be very concerned.
LHCFacts.org
3. Jacob A. | 07.02.08
End of the world coming pretty soon. Go read the book of Revelations in the bible. It prophesizes all of this. Im freaking out.
4. jonny | 07.02.08
Could the Large Hadron Collider destory Earth?
i think you meant destroy but destory works for me.it would get rid of harry potter books for one
5. homeBiscuitsAndGravy | 07.02.08
Jacob A., you religious zealots always give me a bad case of gas…
6. Zeke | 07.02.08
Revelations prophesizes that humans will make a big machine that creates a black hole that swallows Earth? Wow. I must have skimmed over that part. I’ll go prepare for it though… I’ll bottle some water, get some canned food, go find the nearest unoccupied cave, and pray to Jesus to save my soul. That’ll fool that pesky old black hole. Is there room in your cave, Jake?
7. W | 07.02.08
CERN judging their own LHC is safe is like a drunk deciding he’s all right to drive… with 6,700,000,000 passengers.
Who cares about a Higgs Boson particle or some quark gluon goop except a handful of frustrated geeks who have run out of ideas and have to experiment with forces they don’t even understand. These freaking physicists waste money and energy time and time again building atom smasher after atom smasher and end up with more questions, not answers. Now they’ve built one so powerful they say themselves it will create mini black holes at the rate of one per second! Which would change your life more; knowing they found some particle or getting crushed and sucked into a black hole along with everyone and every thing you ever cared about?
That sound like a good risk vs. benefit to you?!? Just because you can’t wrap your mind around it does not mean it can’t happen.
See for yourself;
http://www.risk-evaluation-forum.org/anon1.htm
http://www.LHCDefense.org/
http://www.LHCFacts.org
http://www.SaneScience.org/
Popular Mechanics - “World’s Biggest Science Project Aims to Unlock ‘God Particle’” - http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/extreme_machines/4216588.html“
8. Ian | 07.02.08
This is a good risk vs. benefit because there is no risk. Certainly, we may be in for some astounding discoveries, but if it would be possible to destroy the Earth with the LHC, it would have happened already in the upper atmosphere. The universe is far more powerful than anything we are able to create. While there are certainly questions as to our understanding of the laws of physics, we do know that if it is even possible to create a black hole, it will dissipate using the same theories. If we were to be so cautious that we did not use the LHC, you should also not get out of bed, or have sheets, or touch anything, because there is a greater chance of you dying from some sort of freak accident involving a speck of dust than there is of the LHC destroying the world. This is a classic case of people misunderstanding statistical probabilities.
And for those of you who think the destruction of the world is written into the Bible, don’t try to stop it because it is already written down and therefore must happen. Just enjoy the last few days you have.
10. Lisa | 07.02.08
If I actually believed there was a risk of the LHC creating a black hole to gobble up the earth, I’d buy a ticket to Geneva for a front row seat! The nut jobs always hear the sky is falling. What do I hear? Nothing but the rain.
11. Walt | 07.02.08
Zealots Playing God! - ‘The World is not Enough’
Nobel Prize hungry Physicists are racing each other and stopping at nothing to try to find the supposed ‘Higgs Boson’(aka ‘God’) Particle, among others, and are risking nothing less than the annihilation of the Earth and all Life in endless experiments to try to solve theoretical problems when urgent real problems face the planet. The European Organization for Nuclear Research(CERN) new Large Hadron Collider(LHC) is the world’s most powerful atom smasher that will soon be firing subatomic particles at each other at nearly the speed of light to create Miniature Big Bangs producing clouds of Micro Black Holes, Strangelets and other potentially cataclysmic phenomena.
The CERN-LHC website Mainpage itself states quote: “There are many theories as to what will result from these collisions,…” This stunning admission is because they truly don’t know what’s going to happen. They are experimenting with forces they don’t understand to obtain results they can’t comprehend. If you think like most people do that ‘They must know what they’re doing.’ you could not be more wrong. Some people think the same thing about medical Dr.s but consider this by way of comparison and example from JAMA: “A recent Institute of Medicine report quoted rates estimating that medical errors kill between 44,000 and 98,000 people a year in US hospitals.” The second part of the quote reads “…but what’s for sure is that a brave new world of physics will emerge from the new accelerator,…” A molecularly changed or Black Hole consumed Lifeless World? The end of the quote reads “as knowledge in particle physics goes on to describe the workings of the Universe.” These experiments to date have so far produced infinitely more questions than answers but there isn’t a particle experimentalist physicist alive who wouldn’t gladly trade his life to glimpse the “God particle”, and sacrifice the rest of us with him.
This quote from National Geographic exactly sums this “science” up: “That’s the essence of experimental particle physics: You smash stuff together and see what other stuff comes out.”
For more information visit;
http://www.risk-evaluation-forum.org/anon1.htm
http://www.lhcdefense.org/
http://www.lhcconcerns.com
http://www.SaneScience.org/
http://www.LHCFacts.org
Popular Mechanics - “World’s Biggest Science Project Aims to Unlock ‘God Particle’” - http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/extreme_machines/4216588.html“
13. JTankers | 07.02.08
“i think you meant destroy but destory works for me.it would get rid of harry potter books for one”
LOL!
14. JTankers | 07.02.08
Ian writes “it would have happened already in the upper atmosphere”
Actually the fallacy of that argument was acknowledged in 2007, though some physicists have still quoted that argument as a safety factor even in 2008.
Recognition that that argument, along with several credible papers questioning the theory that that micro black holes would evaporate, was what prompted the new 2008 LSAG safety study.
If rare very high energy cosmic rays striking the upper atmosphere can create stable, initially neutral micro black holes, they would all pass through Earth at nearly the speed of light.
However if the LHC can create stable micro black holes at velocities too slow to escape Earth’s gravity, Dr. Otto Rossler calculates that the micro black holes could capture charged particles such as electrons, become charged themselves and then grow quickly.
A good balance overview of the issues is available on Wikipedia at: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_of_the_Large_Hadron_Collider
15. JTankers | 07.02.08
fyi (I believe that Dr. Rossler’s theory is that the micro black hole would need to capture an electron in “orbit” outside of the event horizon to become charged, and to allow the micro black hole to become fast growing and therefore dangerous)
16. Ian B | 07.03.08
It could happen yes. But even for a voracious black hole capable of gobbling up an entire galaxy. It would choke on trying to shallow France and the inflated ego of its inhabitants
17. Shane | 07.03.08
I find it amusing that all those arguing how safe the LHC is, base their arguments on “theories”. I do find some solace that these theories were derived by some of the greatest minds around today (Hawkings), but can’t hang my hat on those theories like the rest of you. Our understanding of black holes is childish at best. We are dealing with a machine so powerful, even the most brilliant physicists of our time do not know what the outcome will be. That causes me to question the validity of their arguments on the safety of the LHC, let alone the fact that these safety reports were authored, or co-authored by CERNS own staff. Even with those concerns (I’m a scientist at heart), I say bring it on. The results will almost undoubtedly change our world in one way or another. However, one miscalculation will either bring about the greatest discovery man has ever made, or it will kill us all….man it’s like playing roulette and betting every penny you have on black. Spin the wheel boys, spin the wheel.
18. Warren Scott Fentress | 07.03.08
The same fear was in the minds of ‘Oppy’ & Einstein when they built the first A-Bomb (the atmosphere would catch fire..). There was a great SciFi book called “The Z Effect’ which basically had the same premise as the LHC - re-booting the universe!
God may not ‘play dice with the universe’ - but it does shoot pool (hence, the Yucatan asteroid that killed the poor dinos) - and since the Mayan calendar ends in 2012, we should look at the LHC collider schedule and see what’s in the queue for then.
Considering the complete and utter nincompoops who make policy and run the planet (i.e., the power-hungry, greedy and selfish bastards like George Bush, Sheik Yourbooty and the Bildenbergers), we should all not fear a re-boot. A fresh start can’t be bad (and besides, life is fatal anyway). Happy nuking!
19. Steve Watson | 07.03.08
I found out about this silly experiment last year; it fills me with fear. Not for me personally, but my children. I was amazed that there never seems to be any real date for when this really expensive doomsday device is to be activated. I need to know, so that I can make sure I am home; with my family.
I work with an awful lot of people who are supposedly far, far more intelligent than I. I am also partially responsible for some saftey issues that arise when working with things that can kill lots of people, should things go awry.So I know without any reservation that many scientists are really quite thick when it comes to practical matters. An insane look of near religious ectasy appears on their faces when they start elucidating about the bits of science that they love so much; scary.
Given free rein, without the likes of practical ‘morons’ like myself, I have no doubt that these nilistic creatures would blow everyone up around them. Unfortunately, the clever folk at the lhc do not seem to have anyone reining them in. And do not think for a minute that the main reason for spending an amount of money, that could potentially make the world a better place, if used wisely (like thats ever going to happen), is for anything other than creating the next generation of super weapons to threaten, and bring into line, naughty nations.
The people that sanction this level of funding are not that interested in helping socially inept buffoons to stare at the face of God; they just want to be able to blow things up, even more than they can already.
Of course the ‘Doughnut of Doom’ may simply not work; scientists not only do not care if they destroy the world: they will also lie to get the next level of funding.
Regardless, I am going to be at home when they start it up. And if it does destroy the world, I hope it does not make the children scream for to long, or to loudly.
20. Brett Henebery | 07.03.08
That cosmic rays travel too fast to be captured by earth’s gravity is correct, however the collisions that will occur at CERN smash head-on (like a car crash, if you like), and CAN be captured by earth’s gravity, therefore any theoretical black hole would not evaporate. Hawking radiation has not been proven, and although neither have black holes, it is nonetheless too great a risk to pass off as ‘harmless’ or ’safe’. CERN themselves have stated that they have ‘no idea’ what will happen as the LHC reaches maximum performance, between 2009 and 2012. So how can a flawed safety report be taken as proof that the LHC is even close to safe?
21. Judeau | 07.04.08
It would be sort of like in Half-Life with the Resonance Cascade Scenario!!! OMG I hope Freeman saves us all…
Just joking, this really is no laughing matter. We stand at the threshold of a new era of scientific understanding. I however cynically believe nothing will save us from the present and coming political/sovereign aggressions & wars, the M-I-C, and the mind numbing, non-substantive tv and print media systems that keep people happy and idle.
22. shem | 07.04.08
FAce it, they got UFO’s already and you think they are blind about what there doing…
“There using a technology & scientific base not known to mainstream science>”
23. Richard Lamanna, DDS | 07.04.08
I just figured it out. The universe creates black holes by creating sentient biengs, intelligent enough to discover and design technology enabling them spawn a black hole. And POOF, there arises the black hole which gobbles up the associated solar system. I postulate therefore that every black hole which exists in the universe was created by a group of nuclear physicists.
24. Kara | 07.04.08
“As long as the Dolphins are around, we are probably okay.”
Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy fan are we?
26. Ranger Rick | 07.04.08
Finally, there is real hope! Hope that the madness that humanity calls “civilization” will end at last!
27. Fred Scogins | 07.04.08
When are they going to switch on-August,still they have put it off before so we might have a bit longer to live.
Seriously though with the UK oil drying up soon and very little manufacturing
industry we are left with people just passing around bits of paper between themselves, so let us hope they do find another source of energy or we will all end up in a 4th world country
28. romeo | 07.05.08
This does not have to happen! CERN should not be turned ON, ever. Encase it in concrete as a testimony to human curiosity, trials, tribulations and errors, cought in time to correct. So we loose a few billion dollars. Still much better than loosing the Earth. Earth, our nurturing mother, is beyond any $ or Euro value.
29. romeo | 07.05.08
Denying the mini black holes creation used to be the CERN’s and supporters’ tactic. This is no longer the case. At CERN at least, they are now talking about the benefits of studying their MBHs, as if they were tamed monkeys. Their safety explanations are getting more bizarre with time. Now, they compare this Earth experiment to white dwarfs and neutron stars, and on other sites to mosquitoes. Read the interview with one of the authors of CERN’s latest safety report: cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/07/02/1180976.aspx?CommentPosted=true#commentmessage , or this again: cerncourier.com/cws/article/cern/29199. There is censorship of well reasoned, opposing voices on many science sites, msnbc being one of them. I am all for science, it is fascinating and I love it, but it has to serve mankind (ladieskind included), be safe and responsible, that is all. Rolling a dice with human existence at stake and censorship are neither of those.
30. Roger Munns | 07.05.08
My reasoning is that if the earth / galaxy /universe (does that include God?) is doomed then it’s doomed anyway, regardless of the LHC.
ps. As we go through the black hole boundary is ther esomeone standing there taking notes as to what we would like when we get through the wormhole?
31. Mark Stouffer | 07.06.08
Well I was once concerned about Black Holes, or actually, creating a new Big Bang. But then I found out that cosmic rays are bombarding our upper atmosphere (and the Moon) with particles many thousands of times more powerful. Also, any black hole that was created would have a mass of about a bazzillionth of a gram and therefore would exert about a bazzillionth of a gram of gravity. That kind of suction would take a while to consume the Earth I think.
32. Jeff | 07.07.08
to Richard Lamanna - OMG! I hadn’t thought of that! I think you might have hit the nail on the head. That’s why we can’t find signals from other civilizations. It’s because the ’smart’ ones have crushed the crap out of themselves with Black Hole technology.
and Chaz - with ‘Final Countdown’ lyrics including ‘we’re leaving for Venus and maybe they’ve seen us’ and ‘with so many light years to go’, I don’t think Europe did a lot of homework on the subject.
Maybe they already did the experiment and time is now running backwards and we don’t even know it.
34. Mike | 07.07.08
If the believers are so sure of ‘their’ outcome, what’s the point in complaining?
35. zomg! | 07.07.08
Some of the comments here are proof that too much religion stops a thinking mind. Faith is one thing, but blind faith without question is insane. Of course it works just fine for extremist muslims.
36. Zarathustra | 07.07.08
Im more inclined to trust the men and women who have a library of phd s and are ACTUALLY QUALIFIED TO INTERPRET THE DANGERS of this experiment.
to mikw i ask: If god knew what would happen to the world why did he build it?
37. Blood Scorpion | 07.07.08
The book of revelations was supposed to take place in fifty years after jesus death. 666 is the numerological representation of NERO. and Dinosaurs DID exist.
and to polish this off i say What was god doing all those years before judiasm existed?
Ever heard of SUMERIA?
39. Zarathustra | 07.07.08
The moderators here seem to be a bit averse to free and open debate. this is why the pious cant be taken seriously. because when they start to loose an argument they stick their head in the sand or start a crusade.
40. True Christian Scientist | 07.07.08
In fact, the LHC is an instrument born of God’s Eternal Love for us. Most people don’t even realize that as matter approaches the event horizon of a black hole, relativistic effects dictate that time itself will slow down and stop. The LHC is clearly God’s way of bringing us all to final peace in an eternal and blissful afterlife. God Bless the LHC, for through it shines the light of salvation!
42. James | 07.07.08
The idiots in this blog trying to explain advanced physics are like two year olds trying to explain markov chains.
It won’t destroy the world. Even if it did, how bad could it be? You deserve it anyway.
You should be happy about this prospect. I thought you’d be excited to see your “maker”!
43. Fred Scogins | 07.07.08
I have just re-read Alexander Pope’s The Dunciad lines 627 to 656 which begins-
In vain in vain the all composing hour, after reading it I think maybe he knew something we dont know,it would also be good for other people to submit poems they think are apt.
I also must agree with Jeff 32 when he says-Maybe they have already done the experiment and time is now running backwards and we dont even know it.
44. Lou | 07.07.08
If it ends the world, then it’s the end times, yes? Shouldn’t you all be happy about that, because then the rapture would be right around the corner, yes?
Seriously, think about your claims. Or are you just a tad worried that getting swallowed by a black hold doesn’t exactly match prophecy and you’re all doomed to nonexistence in a godless universe?
45. Read_The_Book_Not_The_Cliff_Notes | 07.07.08
For the last time….If you can’t comment intelligently because you do not understand the science, please do not offer an opinion based on your philosophical preferences.
46. Kevin | 07.08.08
Well, you crazy zealots are all totally wrong, but it doesn’t matter. The machine is gonna be turned on.
So, now I’m torn. Do I hope that nothing happens, so I can rub it in your collective faces, or do I hope that the Earth is destroyed so we don’t have to listen to you anymore?
Seriously, you people couldn’t understand the principles involved in the function of this machine on your best day. Keep your extremism and fear mongering constrained to subjects the wikipedia article on which you can at least read cogently.
47. Jesus Friendly | 07.08.08
I prayed to Jesus and he said it is O.K. God gave us the rainbow as proof that he would never destroy the world again. I’m sure if you pray on this he will lay the same message on your heart.
48. Matt | 07.08.08
If we reformat of the universe we shouldn’t install republicans and jesus this time.
49. Tinfoil armor | 07.08.08
Also, if the world really is sucked into a black hole, everyone will die, it’s not like you would ever know you missed anything as the particles in your body are crushed by the immense gravity.
50. Beano the Clown | 07.08.08
Ojojoj….. jäklar vad mycket skumma teorier de kommer upp med nu för tiden. And to all of them that thinks that a “Theory” is something weak. Think again, a theory is just a step under proof. It is hypothesis that is truly weak.
Everyone will die in the end, don´t worry about this though, we won’t know it anyway
51. Greg | 07.08.08
“”"The idiots in this blog trying to explain advanced physics are like two year olds trying to explain markov chains.
It won’t destroy the world. Even if it did, how bad could it be? You deserve it anyway.
You should be happy about this prospect. I thought you’d be excited to see your “maker”!”"”
+1
It also pains me to see people become completely indignant at the prospect of basing science on “theories” (with a misguided understanding of theories, by the way), while they base their whole lives on fiction. Human idiocy abounds. Go start a crusade.
52. Someone with common sense | 07.08.08
Its a dangerous world, if you don’t want to take risks, go back to bed.
Don’t chalk it up to religion.
You’re a small person.
53. Mike | 07.08.08
Taking a risk implies that you have a choice in the matter. These people have already made the decision for you.
Interesting to see all the people chomping at the bit for this experiment to take place. If you happened upon this issue in The New York Times, you might take a minute to consider the audacity of putting the world at risk when they really don’t know what will happen (yes, pull your head out. It’s not just the CSM that is discussing this), but since you found it here first, you assume it’s just a bunch of silly Christians, and all you can do is foam at the mouth.
54. Not afraid of science | 07.08.08
I’m a Christian myself, but the FUD spread across this blog by the comments above make me ashamed to lump myself in with the same crowd. The amateur physics demonstrated and twisted to support spurious arguments that the world will end with the flip of a switch in Europe provide the kind of lowbrow comedy that Columbus must have had to deal with from those believing that dragons were waiting for him at the edge of his map.
55. website design | 07.08.08
Man they just don’t get it. It’s a win - win situation! For example, if there is no problem with the machine and we get teh Higgs Bosoms then hey good for those scientists they’ll probly get drunk and have nerd sex. Whoo! BUT what if it goes all kinds of crazy wrong? QUANTUM WORMHOLE! We get to ride the universe for eternity!
57. Michael Noonan | 07.10.08
Christians may find it interesting that the mathematics for quantum discovery is the sum of all histories. Put simply it means there is a non zero possibility that at any instant you are in all parts of the universe. Mathematics says you are all Gods. Well that is the mathematics of the God Particle and why quantum scientists say they would not be surprised if two red dragons emerged from the experiment. At the energy level being used the numbers break down and that is why a micro black hole or a God Particle or the Devil himself might make an entry. It is why I am displeased.
58. Michael Noonan | 07.11.08
Three score and ten years ago Albert Einstein tried to tell the scientists of the day that event horizons were wormholes. Likewise in times since others have tried that matter namely the proton is a stable wormhole. It changes not a jot what matter does just what matter is. It is not until one starts blasting holes in creation with the machine gun action of a particle accelerator is it realized the target for destruction is easier to hit than first thought.
The latest delay to firing the doomsday machine is the cross section of the target to hit is bigger than expected. With matter connected in structure in time from end to end in the universe that is exactly as it should be. The result could be an eternity of burning everything that has ever existed.
59. Robert I. Marsh II | 07.11.08
The LHC technologies, if long-term successful, could release information involving the manipulation of matter, luminosity (plasma), and energy, that would lead to a controllable, and sustainable nuclear fushion process! Still with extreme caution! The Quantum Wormhole would be initiated by an opposite and equal reaction of: quantum inverse (ghost’) radiation, engaging super-symmetric ‘feed-back loops’; thus powering the kinetic wormhole formation, and creating a stability factor!
60. Moscow never sleeps | 07.14.08
I think there are no reason to care about end of the world. The maximum what can happen its complite annihilation of France and Switzerland and global Ice Age after it!
For security reason I suggest to the civilians in the location of this machine to leave this place at time of experiment, and the people who do this experiments to warn those people before machine start to go on full power - for them to pray!
And this will never happen, because its stupid as a fact… Live such long time by creating such long history of human race and to reach the final step its destroying of all(except of correcting), for Nova World!??? I think God have a lot of places in hisshe’s hands to create New Worlds, or you think we dont like them because a lot of p0rn in internet!? OK… For example, the God is hate the p0rno, but why he is create them?
K.O. Have Nice Day, France and Switzerland! 
61. Mike NY | 07.15.08
The most intelligent minds and the most listened to people of their day also, without a doubt, concluded that the “Earth is flat,” that the “Earth is the center of the Universe,” and that “Man will never fly.”
Science is about not knowing everything. That’s why we explore and experiment. If you could prove anything without a doubt, only with theory, we would never need to experiment, and scientists would NEVER be proven wrong.
I guess that’s my subtle, long way of saying, scientists’ predictions and absolute assurances have been wrong in the past and will be wrong for years to come. It’s only an ignorant person who says that something is impossible when it’s never been tried before.
I say bring on the black holes and prove scientists don’t know everything!
62. tmeek | 07.16.08
To Walt,
your copied explanation from ted.com may work better here. my guess is that is why you copied it here more than a week later (word for word). if your arguement is against science than choose that battle. if your only intention is to be heard amongst those who will not argue with you, then you are doing a disservice to all. Brian Cox answered your question, and you had the oppurtunity to open up a dialogue. unfortunately, you chose the easier route (acceptance). give it another shot. it may, “in fact”, bring a more sophisticated dialogue.
63. Andrew Wilson | 07.16.08
Is there a date for the first experiment? The reason i ask is so i can take the day off and drink enough alcohol not to feel a thing…just in case!
65. The Truth | 07.16.08
Yes… cosmic rays have been hitting earth for millions of years, the only problem here, Earth particles are not moving at near light speed. Earth can’t move a centimeter without getting hit by cosmic rays. When cosmic rays hit an Earth particle, like a cure ball hitting racked balls, that particle will bounce into space at a high speed. So any black hole created by them will be moving so fast it wont cause any harm.
Now in the Large hadron Collider, protons will be speeding towards each other at near light speed, and what happens when two particles of the same speed hit each other dead on? Nothing bounces away! Any black hole created by the LHC will be stationary, or moving so slowly it will easily be captured by the earths gravity, and grow.
There is not way you can compare smashing protons in the LHC to cosmic rays hitting earth. If CERN wants to mimic nature, then one set of protons in the LHC, traveling at near light speed, should be hitting stationary protons.
Before someone brings up the theory Hawking Radiation to counter what I wrote here, someone has admitted it to be in error… CERN’s boy, Stephen Hawking admitted this back in 2004 when he lost a bet. Google it!
Lets see if anyone can counter these facts intelligently? My guess, they’ll pull a BushCo., and result to insults since they can’t counter this.
66. The Truth | 07.16.08
You know what, I google Hawking’s Radiation error. OUCH!
The smartest person in the world, so CERN and their followers state, had an error in his calculations dealing with Hawking Radiation theory. Stephen Hawking recalculated, but what if he’s completely wrong about black holes evaporating due to Hawking Radiation? He was wrong before about this theory, and didn’t know it until 30 years later.
Hawking Loses Bet; Changes Mind on Black Holes
http://www.space.com/news/hawking_bet_040716.html
Hawking loses black hole bet
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/19926
Hawking: I’ve solved the black hole riddle
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2004/jul/22/universe.spaceexploration
Thorne-Hawking-Preskill bet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorne-Hawking-Preskill_bet
Scientific wager
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_wager
Losing an old bet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Hawking#Losing_an_old_bet
67. BFG | 07.16.08
I am not letting someone, no matter how smart they say they are, to gamble with my life on a safety report that is not written in fact just theory. Its all theory, including the experiment which they have only theories on what they may find or happen.
The so called “smart scientists” do not know the full outcome of running this machine. So who are the dumb people, I would say the ones who blindly follow and trust these people with there lives. (oh, and don’t forget to kneel before them).
68. tmeek | 07.17.08
is there a difference between “theory” and “faith”? is faith only acceptable for those who follow a dogmatic religion? through the process of observation, which contains preconceived, intuitive and learned knowledge, an oppurtunity is created to allow yourself to “Believe” in its purpose. Right?
69. John B | 07.20.08
“If you believe that everything turns upon the free-will of man, you will naturally have man as its principal figure in your landscape.”
We can not present a theory as in its sole purpose for us to “Believe”, if we do not …through the process of observation,– which contains preconceived, intuitive and learned knowledge… is by “faith”, without works!
This day we may look for trial, and for work which will require energy, but we may just as confidently look for equal strength. This word is given to us also who have “faith” wherewith to appropriate it. Let us rise to the holy boldness which it is calculated to create within the believing heart.
70. Nutsinasack | 07.21.08
I hooked my car battery to all my magnet orbs 66 in all. Shot it the juice and now half my truck is gone go figure right.
WOW! YOU WOULD THINK WITH ALL THIS MONEY AND TRYING TO PLAY GOD THEY COULD COME UP WITH FOOD THAT LASTS FOREVER OR A CAR THAT GETS 999 MILES TO A GALLON.
What a waste unless it pays all our electric bills forever.
Wakeup your destiny is at hand.
71. PawandeeP | 07.22.08
Hi,
If someone thinks that earth is going to end after this experiment, then its gud, atleast ppl will start praying to god, helping others, feeding the poor/needy……….. i.e all the gud & religious works a human can do….
g8t …. keep it up
72. Michael Noonan | 07.24.08
On current theory the speed of the protons hitting head on causing micro black holes should still send most of the event horizons created away from the earth at 25,000 miles an hour or more which is escape velocity. Only the slower ones traveling under 25,000 miles an hour fall back into the earth if Hawking radiation fails. Could they destroy the earth?
Most of them will have enough speed to escape the entire solar system but certainly a larger percentage will get pulled into the sun than into the earth. It is more likely the sun would be destroyed long before the earth collapses. If we survived the loss of the sun then we could consider our options.
73. michael | 07.24.08
This is all nuts. these scientist r absolutley insane. I have a wife and child and I dont want anything to happen to them and also anyone else. Everyone should get together and file a big time lawsuit against the LHC so they wont turn it on and destroy earth.
lets all get together and file a lawsuit
74. tmeek | 07.25.08
the believing heart is not held by few, but held by all. agreed? why else would we all still be thriving on this planet?
as for the rest of what you wrote…. please try again. it is not cohesive.
75. tmeek | 07.25.08
p.s. - man is the principal figure in my landscape, yes! the question i presented was geared towards those who have a dogmatic faith. their existence lies in fear, and that is not the way to move forward! and to be completely honest, that is not faith!
76. Michael Noonan | 07.25.08
Faith is believing in God and the risen Son of God who will come again in Full Glory in the flesh and the spirit. That is faith. What science is proposing is an experiment based on a number of rather good observations and rather good leaps of intuitive logic but it is not faith. While man might believe himself to be master of what he sees it is important to know that man does not have God’s view of creation, the seen and the unseen. Man is therefore fallible and potentially just as likely to be wrong if not more so than man is likely to be right.
Interestingly enough there was very little comment made when someone suggested that not even God could sink the Titanic. After the Titanic sank was when people caught onto the idea that it was not wise to put God to the test. This simple comment:-
[quote]”The prospect of discovery, Dr. Virdee said, is what sustained him and his colleagues over the 16 years it took to develop their machine. Without such detectors, he said, “this field which began with Newton just stops.”
“When we started, we did not know how to do this experiment and did not know if it would work,” he said. “Twenty-five hundred scientists can work together. Our judge is not God or governments, but nature. If we make a mistake, nature will not hesitate to punish us.”[/quote]
I wonder if it is just as unwise to remove God from the picture.
77. Fred Scogins | 07.25.08
Yes I think it would be wise to remove the gods from the picture,they have no place in the grand design they condone greed and violence and allow thousands to die of starvation everyday,thousands to die of aids ect.
Neither the gods nor mankind are masters of this planet,but we are here and through our consciousness we must strive for equality for all in food,water,medicines,energy ect.
If the collider is the answer and mankind succeeds then the world will become infinitely better.
If we loose then it would have been just another August.
79. tmeek | 07.26.08
quote the bible, or quote the scientists… because that is what is presented to us and our fall back. more importantly though, never deny the true “uninfluenced” feeling that burns inside us. happy august to you all!
80. Fred Scogins | 07.26.08
Hi tmeek thank you.
The Collider is not the end of the world but the begining,so let us confound our critics and accelerate forward,then new unimaginable idears will appear and we can and will eliminate our worldly problems.
But if we stagnate we will continue to have people because they have no other food eating rats,we will still have starving children scrambling on the ground for a few grains of rice,and homeless people in Pakistan standing on the side of the roads with nothing to their name.
We even at the present moment have the means,but not the will to eradicate poverty,but now we have the chance to do away with it forever.
81. dman | 07.27.08
Ok, so everyone has been bickering and barking about something that has not even happened yet. The simple fact of the matter is that the scientests do not know what is going to happen. They can’t even say that black holes will be produced. So at this point it is at a dead heat as to what the result will be. The chances that the world will be destroyed are equally as good as the chances that the LHC will provide all the power the entire planet will ever need. What happens then? What happens when all your worrying is for nothing? You will move on to the next thing that you can bitch and moan about and forget that you ever gripped about this in the first place. You aren’t going to be able to stop them from starting up the LHC so just quit complaining and let it happen.
82. Guru Shaggy | 07.28.08
AH ha ha ha… ha ha.. ha.. ha
Well, this was a humorous waste of about an hour. Both sides of the debate, not picking on the religious or the non-religious, but I mean the pro-LHC (not gonna suck the planet up in a wormhole) and the anti-LHC (MY GOD WE ARE GONNA DIE!!!!), have missed the biggest piece of the puzzle here.
Who really and truly cares anyhow? I mean really, deep down in the pit or your soul… do you really and truly care? What the hell makes the parasite that we call mankind so special that warrants the concern as to whether we should start this machine up or not. I’d be more concerned about the other poor creatures on this little back water marble we call earth, because they have NO say and are totally innocent. In actual fact though, I really don’t care about them either… In the grandest schemes of things, our little rock WON’T be missed.
Like Y2K before this, I truly hope that the doomsday profits are right… hell, we’d all get what we deserve and if doesn’t happen, well, we are sure to blow our selves up soon enough with something else… Until then, I’ll just sit back and chuckle at everyone that post as if the care and/or really have a say in the matter… it’s all good entertainment… Beautiful baby!! BBQ at my place for the day they turn it on… and here’s hopin’ for the best light show EVER!!
Cheers!
Guru Shaggy
Now, go back to arguing…. I need more entertainment. lol.
83. Someguy | 07.28.08
You all are idiots. First of all, Hawking losing the best wasn’t because Hawking Radiation was a fake. It was because it used to be thought everything was lost to the universe when a black hole consumed it. Now, they know it DOES release information. If it can release information, then it can evaporate. Etc. This is all stupid. Everyone is complaining about some stupid machine and then there’s those sickos who like to say “Good. Humanity should die.” etc. Ya’ll are friggin sick. If you want to see it gone so badly, just off yourself already.
84. Adam | 07.28.08
Guru Shaggy, I bet you’ll be crying like a baby until the air gets sucked out of you before we implode into Earth’s dying furnace. Yeah, this planet is all jacked up due to greed, power and fame, but I truly believe we can turn this around and make this world a better place. I know… yeah right.
Why can’t these bastards be happy that they’re alive, instead of playing with their lives in a tomb. If CERN destroys Geneva, leaving the rest of the planet intact, I make a bet no one will take this as a wake-up call, and continue doing the same old same old. Either way, we’re screwed!
85. Guru Shaggy | 07.29.08
“Why can’t these bastards be happy that they’re alive, instead of playing with their lives in a tomb.” XACTLY!!!!! Who really gives a rats behind about how or what made the earth/us/the universe/goat cheese/Paris Hilton….
But dude, seriously…. been on death’s door twice already… ready to tuck the sheet over my head… definitely not as scary as they make it seem… no crying would be involved… just sweet everlovin’ peace Brother….
Oh, and someguy… would NEVER off myself… having to much bloody fun, my life ROCKS in every essence of the word, and I wouldn’t trade it for all of lifes little secrets. I just take trememdous pleasure in watching us spiral down the drain, because in the grandest of plans… we’re but a mere cat turd in the Sahara… Would be a pity to see it all go, but what the hell… we do deserve to reap what we sow.
BBQ still on at my place…
86. Kevin P. | 07.31.08
End-of-timers should be welcoming the Large Hadron Collider since they seem to think that the bible is predicting some cataclysmic accident. No need to freak, your beliefs are about to be validated ( of which they are seemingly always on the verge ). I personally believe that the Flying Spaghetti Monster will be working overtime changing the results of the experiments with a touch of His noodly appendage, to disguse the fact that He only made the earth a few thousand years ago. I’m sure that scientists will be delighted with all of the new data produced by the LHC. Perhaps they’ll even discover the God particle, the elusive Higgs Boson which gives mass to everything.
In the end, everyone is happy about the LHC.
87. Mara Miller | 07.31.08
“When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood, and the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale; the sky vanished like a scroll that is rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place. Then the kings of the earth and the great men and the generals and the rich and the strong, and every one, slave and free, hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains, calling to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb; for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand before it?” Revelation 6:12-17
88. Gary Isabusyguy | 08.01.08
Just wait, it gets better! We can all hold hands and hope that there is no information loss in a black hole!
That way we get to preserve our state, despite being crushed into an infinitesimally small space.
Everything will seem the same, just more people commenting on ‘What a small world it is’…
89. J | 08.01.08
FYI, it’s been on for a few days now.
Oh hail mighty God and the end of the world?
Silly religious zealots…
90. Fred Scogins | 08.02.08
ello its August,and if I can believe what I read the injections into the collider start this month and the first collisions are due in 2 or 3 months. It will then carry on for 10 years and the computing grid is going to make how many calculations a second??
Oh,and this will give some people the shivers there is a Super LHC planned.
That is if everything goes well this month.
Seriously,we have a chance to glimpse our future,we must take it.
92. Sean the Maggot | 08.07.08
To Whom It may Concern:
On behalf of my esteemed associates and myself, I’d like to announce that we are put on a very generous retainer by an interested party to participate in the event known as Armageddon. As of this August we have yet to receive any notification to prepare for mobilization. We are to expect the unexpected, as per our agreement with the interested party. The LHC is not the notification we need. Our mutual understanding with the interested party is that we will be receiving our alert through our Blackberry devices.
Please remain calm. We will definitely let you know when it is time.
Sincerely,
Ares, Limos, Lues, Mortis and Associates
93. benito | 08.07.08
The time frame is dubious. Professor rossler calculates 50 months to 50 years for a micro black hole to devour Earth.
Professor Rossler details Seven Reasons for concern if micro black holes are created. (http://www.wissensnavigator.com/documents/spiritualottoeroessler.pdf and references)
Highlights:
1) Black holes cannot evaporate… [theories by Rossler, Helfer, Belinski, etc. support this]
3) Miniblack holes grow exponentially … [Dr. Rossler calculates 50 months to 50 years].
4) … man-made [micro black holes] … alone are slow enough with respect to the earth that one of them (at less than 11 km/sec) can take residence? in contrast to the almost-luminal speeds of their natural cousins.
5) CERN‘s counterargument… white dwarfs … natural miniblack hole… can pass through
7) neutron stars … are protected by quantum coherence effects of the superfluidity type: so miniblack holes can pass without friction.
94. Stephanie | 08.07.08
I Think That This Is Ridiculous!!!!
Why Are They even doing this.
I Am Furious And scared…
95. pitt bull | 08.09.08
There is something you must know our planet’s inner core is not made of molten iron but it is a neutron star yes a tiny star filled with elektrons so if a tiny black hole was created it will fall in this neutron core and start devour it however elektrons ar much less dense than matter so it will probably take hundreds of years before it can substantially grow. Meanwhile it will however create time space distortions gravity distortions any many other hazards. The earth will also spin faster thus time will go faster and faster in the long run (over many decades or hundreds of years either way this collider is not such a good idea.
In fact it is plain arrogance if you ask me. Why don’t these brilliant scientist invent free energy since they claim to be intelligent or find a cure to cancer or hiv or eradicate poverty…
No this is not about science but about men showing how big his alter ego is and big it is 27 km in circumferance stretching from france to vienna ….
96. iceman | 08.10.08
I think all of the people involved in this project need to be hunted down with all the other terrorists and put in jail! Theses people (scientists) are nothing more than terrorists and should have no rights to build anything that even has the slightest chance of harming the world or even a city for that matter.The people involved in this project and everyone else that thinks they know what is going to happen when this is started up is wrong! Because the actual truth of the matter is everyone is guessing and has no clue what will happen until it happens. Bottom line is this is terrorism on a mass scale !!!!
97. Fred Scrogins | 08.14.08
Startup is now the 10th of September 2008,the collisions will begin at the end of the year and there is no conceivable danger!!!!!
98. ryan | 08.27.08
Alot of hate in the world. I’m not an expert on the matter but the amount of hate for those of faith is disturbing. I have to feel that if all faiths learn to co-exist that those who place their faith in science will find it easier to mock the masses. I personally believe in God and I proclaim myself as a Christian. I feel no ill will or hate for any other faith. I find myself respecting their beliefs (If they’re not trying to kill me!)
I have yet to find that respect for those proclaim to be educated and followers of Science. No faith is perfect because humans are not perfect. The point which is often missed is to try your best to be more like your God. I have friends who are atheists but they don’t ridicule me for my belief. I find this rare in the atheist community. I apologize that this comment has very little to do with the LHC. I see discrimination and hatred in modern science. I know Christians haven’t always acted like Christians but I ask those who follow science to stop discriminating against me, my family and all those like me.
99. Anirudh Kumar Satsangi | 08.29.08
Dear Dr. Kaku
Apropos an article ‘Looking for a higher theory of everything’ Interaction: Michio Kaku published in Times of India, New Delhi on seventh June 2008 at page number fourteen. I have written following two papers which may lead to the realisation for a higher theory of everything:
(i) Gravitation Force is the Ultimate Creator,
(1st Int. Conf. on Revival of Traditional Yoga, Lonavla Yoga Institute, Lonavla, January, 2006)
(ii) In Scientific Terminology, Source of Gravitational Wave is God
(2nd World Congress on Vedic Science, BHU, Varanasi, Feb 2007)
I have presented these two papers at the two different International Conferences. I am now submitting some views for being considered for Unified Field Theory
From Scriptures:
The Current which manifested in the beginning of the creation is the Current of Sabda (Sound) and of Chaitanya (Consciousness). From whom that Current issued forth is known as Soami (Supreme Being). This Current, by turning back can merge again in the Holy Feet of Supreme Being. The entire creation manifested from this current and is sustained with its energy and when the Current of the Holy Feet is withdrawn, the creation ceases to exist.This Current of the Holy Feet is the Reservoir of all energy, tastes and pleasures, knowledge, skill, shapes, forces and light etc. etc. and of the entire creation, is also the Creator of all of them.
From Science:
Gravitation Force is the cause of manifestation of the creation (birth of planets, stars), its sustenance and when it is withdrawn towards centre or source the entire creation ceases to exist. Photons have originated from gravitons. In black holes photons merge into gravitons. In Black Holes, Gravitational Force is so high that it does not allow even light to escape. What does it mean then? It simply means that the gravitational force at black-holes attracts light towards it with much greater velocity than the speed of light. In fact, all forces including electromagnetic force, material force (strong and weak nuclear force) all merge into gravitational force in black-holes and becomes one force there and when the creational process starts again from a Black-Hole all the forces appear (manifest) again and descends downwards to create billions of stars, planets, satellite, asteroids and various life forms. In Einstein’s Formula for mass-energy relation E=Mc2 if speed ‘equal to’ c2 is a reality it reaffirms the views contained above.
Hence it can be assumed that the Current of Chaitanya (Consciousness) and Gravitational Wave are the two names of the same Supreme Essence (Seed) which has brought forth the entire creation.
With warm regards.
Yours truly,
Anirudh Kumar Satsangi, Dayalbagh Educational Institute (Deemed University), Dayalbagh, Agra-282110, India
Reply awaited please
100. Anirudh Kumar Satsangi | 08.29.08
In view of my views above with regards to the creation of the universe there is no need of experimentation with LHC if there is any risk is involved at all. At the time of the birth of the universe Gravitational Wave was first issued forth and all other energy including light and matter are the modification of the gravitation force. At the end of the creation all forces will merge into gravitation force and it will ultimately absorve in Its Source i.e. God.
Anirudh Kumar Satsangi
8, Jeevan Jyoti Enclave, Dayalbagh, Agra-282005, India
101. Anirudh Kumar Satsangi | 08.29.08
Kindly refer to my views at sl. No. 99 above. In view of this there is no need of experimentation with LHC if there is any risk is involved in it.
Anirudh Kumar Satsangi
102. Kevin | 08.30.08
Both the arguments for the safety of the LHC and the arguments against are based on theories. THEORIES! These are unproven but reasonable suppositions. Both sides make assumptions. Both sides. One side will be proven correct and one side will be proven incorrect.
Either way we’ll have a chance to see history in the making. And either way there’s nothing that you or I can do to stop it (even if I wanted to).
104. Paul | 08.30.08
Warren Scott Fentress:
Dr. Rossler, the man behind LHCFacts.Org, predicts a microscopic black hole could swallow the Earth anywhere from 50 months to 50 years. The first high-speed particle collisions are planned for October 21, 2008. 50 months later exactly is December 21, 2012, the same day the Mayan calender ends.
Do I think the LHC will destroy the Earth? No. They turned the RHIC on in 2000. That probably reminded at least a few people of the 2000 Doomsday prediction. Although this is pretty on the dot.
JTankers:
Although it is true that Hawking Radiation has never been proven to exist, other theories that are similar to Hawking Radiation has been proven true. It is mentioned in Dr. Brian Greene’s book “The Elegant Universe”
Also, particle collisions in our upper atmosphere happen at all different types of velocities. In the billions of years of the history of our planet (or similar planets in our solar system), a collision must have taken place producing particles traveling at less the escape velocity of our planet. Yet, our planet remains.
Also, do not forget to point out that although Hawking Radiation is, at this time, a theory, microscopic black holes are also just theory, and there is no definite proof that they exist.
Also, although some variations of the Standard Model predict the LHC could produce microscopic black holes, recent research papers published have shown it is even LESS likely than previously thought.
105. Anirudh Kumar Satsangi | 09.01.08
Let the scientists should go ahead with their experiments using LHC. Radha Soami Religion does not foresee any immediate threat to our planet earth. It is the right of every being to know about ultimate reality for which the scientists are busy to know experimentally. We should encourage them.
106. Paul Jeffries | 09.02.08
I’m just waiting for a naked cybernetic organism to steal my motorbike and clothes on the day it’s switched on.
Or hoverboard technology to be created. ALL HAIL LHC!
107. nikki | 09.02.08
They’re just going to kill us all …. 8 billion people are going to be on there concious now
109. Fred Scrogins | 09.03.08
It is not a man made god who controls our destiny but nature,who by whatever coercion it uses will either let the LHC go ahead or not,and if it does let it go ahead then let us hope it will take into consideration not only humanity but the trillions of life forms on our planet who after all are part of itself.
110. Ben K | 09.04.08
But they aren’t even firing anything round it yet. I’m pretty sure that they said on the 10th they’re simply switching it on too see if it works… their not officialy testing til the end of the year…?
111. Mark Jones | 09.05.08
I find it highly curious that people don’t trust that the scientists understand what they’re creating, but they trust that they understand how to create it. If scientists are really so wrong, it’s just as likely that it’s impossible to create a microscopic black hole as it is that a microscopic black hole could pose a threat to Earth.
Kind of like being afraid your normally friendly dog will get out of his cage and attack your neighbor when you don’t think he’s smart enough to get out of the cage.
112. Anirudh Kumar Satsangi | 09.06.08
Black holes are compact mass of gravitons. When a part or whole galactice sysstem collapse, it ends up in to a black hole. All material force and other kind of energy including light energy lose their identity and become only one current of force i.e. gravitation force. Black holes are the source of gravitation force. New creational process begins from there after a lapse of a consierable period of time through Big Bang. Gravitons are like building block material of the entire universe.
113. dhiren | 09.06.08
ref .99/100 .
by this experiment micro black hole might be created ,but technically it’s safe to do experiment.
if you ref .speech of GH on bhandara oct -06 ,it was well explained about simulation of all 4 forces and potential energy.
114. Anirudh Kumar Satsangi | 09.08.08
Sir Sahabji Maharaj (1881-1937), Fifth Spiritual Guide of Radha Soami Religion has once said that the goal of Science - Truth, the goal of Philosophy - Ultimate Reality and the goal of Religion - God are the three names of the same supreme essence.
In scriptures we find descriptions in detail all about what constitute the entire universe. It is now the turn of the scientists to explore about the Final Truth. Good Luch to them. Best wishes for a successful LHC experiment.
115. maddi | 09.08.08
great,we’re not gonna die! all the yr 8’s at my school including me think that we won’t live to see thursday. well, at least we wont have to do that essay if we do!! please dont make us die mr, we have an important assembly on friday and im getting my first ever award. i really want that award. do we have to destroy humanity and the earth with this giant ray gun thiny???
bugger that!
maddi
116. maddi | 09.08.08
i would seriously laugh if someone bombed it at the last minute.or if it never worked becoz they forgot to witch the power on. lol. well im not going to skool tomorrow, im gonna wag! might as well make the most of wat time we supposedly have left!
119. Kevin | 09.08.08
Would this increase or decrease the price of a snickers bar when all is said and done?
120. April | 09.08.08
Interesting comments. One thing rings true: we will never be able to agree on anything. But isn’t this what makes our world so wonderful?
It’s not about God or religion or Colliders.
It’s about a small majority of people in power (governments, politics, institutions) who claim to be smart enough to keep the ‘masses’ alive. The only difference between the ‘masses’ and the ‘power’ is that the masses are simply larger.
Being smart or intelligent, the ‘power’ should realize that one day the ‘masses’ are going to say “We have had enough” and revolt worldwide.
For myself, if I’m still alive on Thursday, I will say thanks for all the great gifts this world brings, and there will be no praise for ‘power’.
121. Yohon | 09.08.08
Thats one impressive Toy
I suppose the results from this test (will save the world before its to late!?) and are required wednesday Sept 10, 2008 (were in a Hurry!)
I suppose the guy who first tested gunpowder did it inside his house before he got wise and took it outside…
Maybe they should launch that 17 mile Toy into space first…
just a thought
122. Jim Hawkins | 09.08.08
Hey,CERN is European. It doesn’t scare me, because it’s rational, thought-through, and will add to our knowledge of the universe. What scares me is that one of the world’s most superstitious nations (USA) may elect a VP whose attitudes towards the vast burden of evidence we’ve built up about the universe and our place in it are so ludicrous that the mind boggles.
Let’s continue to do science (from the Latin for knowledge) and hope that our educational systems don’t allow the lunatics to take over the asylum!
125. Sue | 09.09.08
predicted, nuclear reactor breakdown, atomic holocaust, earthquakes and a tsunami in the med sea.
127. Leanne | 09.09.08
‘I suppose the guy who first tested gunpowder did it inside his house before he got wise and took it outside…
Maybe they should launch that 17 mile Toy into space first…
just a thought’
‘I don’t want to die!!’
I agree with both these quotes!
It’s funny how scientists risks other peoples life and the world before the chance to save the world!
Good Job Buddy!! Ruin the world before it ruins itself!
Your full of bright ideas!
Send it into space!!
128. narayanan | 09.09.08
what if stephen hawlkins got it wrong????i scared about that?if the black hole is stable……that is dangerous!!!!!!what i want to see is a black hole
formed and immediately dissapearing…that would prove we are on the right track….hope every thing goes right!!!!!
129. narayanan | 09.09.08
i think there will also be a huge electromagnetic pulse created…that could travel all around the earth…destroying all electronics…..total internet
shutdown…..eventually well miss all the action going on at cern…
132. Yohon | 09.09.08
I heard today, this test around 6 hours from now is only 1 particle, in 1 direction, the Atom Smashing is scheduled for October, can anyone confirm this?
134. tempy | 09.09.08
f these expermenters were just creating one particle black hole, okay well, it’s not good, but it’s probably not bad, they are working on the theory of one, not many like they plan to create in the same space
When a black hole swallows another black hole (or anything else) it grows larger
it would disappear into the black hole just like anything else
although it could be wrong, but it’s kinda a big thing to not know if it’s right or wrong risk is phenomenal
even if it’s just noisy compressed noise, it will still have to take up space, which in turn pushes space to squeeze itself in, bit crowded
135. Anunnaki | 09.09.08
Im not really worried about this LHC test, were all suppose to die anyways (more like 2/3 of us) on December 21, 2012 (my B-day… WOOT!!!). If you haven’t heard about 2012, its a planet that does its 3600 year orbit around our sun and it passes and might collide with us (which ppl say the collision caused the creation of the moon), but if it just passes us it will create natural distruction (like hurricanes, floods, drought, etc).
And for your question Yohon, I heard on the radio that they do want to collide 2 particles… which they made a joke after, they told us dont go to work tomorrow cuz it might be the last day of the world and all that.
136. GotaHaveItNOW | 09.09.08
Humanity is such a short sighted species. We have to have everything NOW. Rather than wait till we have self sufficient colonies on other planets or conducting the experiment off of Earth or even slowing down and thoroughly studying this before starting we have to roll the dice and gamble the existence of the entire race. Lets not plan for the possibility that the physicists might be wrong because hey, physicists have never been wrong, right?
137. George Fishling | 09.10.08
This is quite frightening, and, while i don’t think it’s the certain end of the world, does anyone feel perfectly (PERFECTLY?!) comfortable that it won’t happen and these tests are completely safe?
Now say the world DOES end due to LHC,
wouldn’t you rather have not known at all?
I guess either way it doesn’t make a difference if you knew or didn’t,
you’re dead anyway.
138. greg | 09.10.08
wow ! just take the risk and end our lives !
you scientists need to think before you do some of
these things poeples life or the better world.
personally i think people should of voted against this
but whatever its not like or opinion matters anymore.
this could possibly destroy the earth and kill everyone.
well if thats good enough for these scientists then
see all of you in heaven !
139. peyton | 09.10.08
why would you put human life at risk you ppl are gonna kill millions of people why it doesnt matter if you think their is a heaven or hell (im christian) you people needed to be stoped
140. forsaken | 09.10.08
i hate to say this but… remember the nuclear bomb? albert einstien creating the maths and physics behind that one with good intentions, and look where that got us!
sure there are nuclear powerstations now, but only because they are cheaper and more “logical” than using natural resources. polluting our earth to serve human need.
This is the same, all these scientists are trying to do something good, or unlock some amazing revalation, basically they are trying to serve their purpose, understand something greater than them, that is why science and religion often dont go together so well. But the thing is, they arent perfect, no-one is, and they are messing with forces they DONT understand, trying to smash them together just so that they can… and history proves, the result is an after-thought when dealing with scientific revalation of this magnatude. It’s all moving in the wrong direction, the balance between human nature and mother nature is suffering, and all light here will be destroyed as a consequence. UNLESS we STOP this BULLSH BEFORE IT’S TO LATE!
scientists, people who toy with atoms, you know that the chaos effect is real, so why trust your own judgement when so many have died already because of your awesome creations?
this test proves one thing to me, like all power, it’s in the wrong hands.
just thought i have my say before the world ends, if it doesnt, then at least think about it…
141. Bradley | 09.10.08
If I remember rightly, there’s a 1 in 50,000,000,000 chance the black hole will actually happen.
This, and the fact that all the world’s leading scientist, theorists (Hawking included), etc are all against this theory is good enough for me.
I can’t wait to rub it in the scaremongers’ faces when all that happens is a possible cure for previously terminal diseases e.g. cancer, renewable energy sources, and so on. Even so, it made for a good story in my AS English lesson yesterday.
142. kyro anubis | 09.10.08
i am very new to this stuff so if i sound like i dont know what im talking about its probably because i dont! but i am very curious and eager to learn as much as possible and i am hoping someone can help me to understand despite my obvious ignorance lol
with that said my question is ..
how can a comparison be made to the conditions of and what goes on in space v.s. the conditions of and what goes on here on earth?.. it would seem to me that the natural occurrences that take place out there would differ than from here on earth!.. i.e. the atmosphere, temperature, matter, density and stuff like that.
would the outcome be the same and if so why?
143. DT | 09.10.08
Thankfully the majority of you God botherers who’ve proven your level of intelligence
live far enough away from me that I can sleep peacefully.
Without these sort of advances in science we’d all still be wearing sandals and worshiping
the invisible man so get with the program and stop believing in the fairies at the bottom
of your garden and allow your minds to live in the present where science rules and ancient
bible stories are only for the feeble minds of our ancestors who lived in fear of falling off
the edge of the planet.
Hellooo ……
144. ed omg really | 09.10.08
man that post before me wasn’t there when i started typing, he said what i wanted to say - but just better…. man i’m dumn lol
145. darren | 09.10.08
ahah see what you christians thought the world would end, but im still alive and so is evryone i know. so as DT said ‘bibles are for people in fear of falling off the edge of the planet’, so go take your ‘knoledge’ elsewhere.
146. ed omg really | 09.10.08
My previous message has been deleted - man that really gets me. Why can’t religious people see how stupid they are being! How totally embarrassing to commit your life to a story book!! And why would the administrator delete my post, I only said that it’s pointless spending any money on human beings because as long as there are humans and religion, we will continue to fight and there will always be famine. Why not spend money on trying to advance science. What’s wrong with that?!?! It is because of the ignorance and stupidity of all religions that this world is so segregated and violent. P
Please don’t delete this, I’m not having a go - it’s just extremely frustrating to see people waste there life believing in a total fairy tale that they were probably born into. It’s sad actually…..
And of course the world will not bloody end - seriously there are so many references just on the internet to ascertain what the true risk is - and that’s the internet! It only takes a little common sense to sift through the rubbish.
147. Robert | 09.10.08
I don’t think we need to worry about the LHC destroying the earth. God already has a plan to do that in his own time. In the meantime he’s all about saving our eternal soul through his Son. I’m sure this little episode (and I mean little compared to the greatness of God)is wearing a little on his patience with man trying to disprove his creation. He’s more concerned with the lack of belief in his existence and the unwillingness of man to seek him, than he is with the LHC. It’s a good thing God is patient with man, because without his longsuffering we wouldn’t be here today. “All buildings are created by man, but God created all things”. I’m for anything that benefits the human race as long as it has something to do with bringing us closer to God. Where would we be today without sience, God made that also. All things work together for good to those who love the Lord. God Is, and his existence is proven everyday through creation, beauty, life and death, nature both good and bad and sience. Man harms himself and his world in so many ways, but to destroy the earth and mortal life on the planet as we know it, that time belongs to God.
149. jesusfreak | 09.10.08
number one i would like to know why a bunch of athiests are doing commenting on a CHRISTIAN SCIENCE website but anyway i would like to commend Robert i think you are completly right.
150. A-feared-fo-my-life | 09.10.08
For the religeous that believe in the one god (Jewish/Christians/etc), there is nothing to fear.
If this *were* an earth-ending machine, he would step in and stop it - unless that’s how he planned to have Revelations unfold — in which case you won’t be able to stop it anyway since it’s part of his plan.
So stop worrying.. Or go witness to the friends you haven’t yet.
If you aren’t of that faith, then you may have something to worry about.. Or not. I’m not a physicist, so I can’t really comment much on whose theories are better. Just remember, you will die one day or another - so again - stop worrying. Being sucked into a black hole is much more glamorous than getting hit by a bus.
And in the end, eventually the universe will go dark or collapse in on itself and restart. Either way, mankind ends, and it doesn’t matter what they do at LHC.
151. Vidyardhi Nanduri | 09.10.08
Sub: SCIENCE AT CROSS ROADS and IDENTITY CRISIS- SAVE EARTH PLANET SCIENCE
unable compromise with NATURE DUAL Mode Spiral Processing does not lead to
understanding THE UNIVERSE and the FUNCTION UNDEFINED UNIVERSE LANDS IN CONFUSION_CHAOS
Presently Cosmology is undergoing REVISION and BIG-BANG,Dark Matter,DARK ENERGY and Blackholes
are all under question.???? Evolution needs to catch up with creation.
Undefined universe lands in confusion and utter chaos
SCIENCE AWAY FROM NATURE AND PHILOSOPHY
CAN VEDAS SHOW DIRECTION TO HELP SCIENCE ADVANCEMENT?
Search :Cosmology Vedas Interlinks
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152. Stephen M | 09.10.08
Hmph. Really, now, some of you people need to stop and look at what’s actually going on. Scientists have been doing things like this for years. Look at the atomic bomb tested at Los Alamos. They were worried it would set the atmosphere on fire. They had someone that worked for them do calculations, and he said it wouldn’t. Then, they set off the bomb, and the atmosphere didn’t catch on fire.
This “miniature black hole” that people are saying MAY be created. Perhaps. Perhaps it won’t. But if it is, what’s it made of? The total mass of this black hole will be the mass of the two particles that collided, and the black hole will be in a vacuum. Stop and think about that for a moment. A black hole depends on gravity to draw in more matter in order to become more dense and create more gravity to draw in more matter. Without air in the supercollider, the black hole wouldn’t be able to draw in air as matter to fuel its growth. And I highly doubt that the matter contained within two particles, even when condensed to a single point, would be able to create a gravitational field strong enough to even affect the walls of the collider. If the black hole can’t suck in the walls, then it’s just suspended in the vacuum. I highly doubt the black hole would be able to simply exist in that state. I have my doubts that the matter contained within two subatomic particles would be enough to form a black hole, no matter how you smash them together.
Then again, it’s not entirely the individual people’s fault. Really, I’ve come to despise the news media for all the attention it gives to conspiracy theorists and doomsayers. Sure, it gets them ratings, but at what expense? Otherwise normal people begin to panic and worry about the world’s destruction, all because CNN or FOX wants a couple more viewers? It’s disgusting, honestly. You have to consider the credibility of the source. Sure, CNN and FOX and whatever other media entities you can think of might give us accurate news at times, but you have to realize that they are NOT scientific experts. They don’t KNOW anything about the subject. They read what’s written for them on their telepromters or sheets of paper that they may or may not have time to rehearse before they start the news at 11.
What’s the world going to become as we move closer and closer to 2012, the “Mayan Apocalypse”? How many doomsayers will be shown on television and in the newspapers then? How many people will be stocking up on every imaginable thing from canned goods to bottled water to radiation-proof underpants or something equally ridiculous?
If anything human-related is going to destroy the earth, it’s going to be a product of the chaos-and-terror promoting mindset of a large portion of the American population who jump at the chance to find something to be scared of. Fear is a way to control people. By telling everyone that the Large Hadron Collider is going to destroy the earth, the people who have originally done so are simply trying to control the population to meet their own ends, whatever they may be. Perhaps those people have something to gain from persecuting CERN. They would certainly make a name for themselves, were they to be the people that “saved the world from the evil mad scientists at CERN”.
Walter Wagner has gone so far as to call scientists calculations stating the safety of the collider “propaganda”. He’s not even allowing the scientists to defend their work. That statement alone shows that Wagner is unable to accept any evidence that the collider is, in fact, safe. Myself, I fail to see how Wagner’s take on the situation is at all valid in its own context. He’s asking CERN not to use the collider because he believes they cannot mathematically prove that it is safe, while he has not mathematically proved that it could create a black hole. He has simply gathered texts on studies done on black holes and pieced together an almost exclusively philosophical argument that the collider might be unsafe. To say that mathematics is insufficient and that philosophy should be used to determine certainty within a science is absurd. I would like to point out that the Large Hadron Collider is doing pretty much the same type of thing as FERMI lab in the United States, just at a higher energy level, and the facility is bigger. The particles haven’t changed size.
I really don’t think that religion SHOULD be an issue here. This is a purely scientific issue. Anyone can pick up a book from any version of the Bible and interpret it how they wish. One person might interpret a chapter to mean that man will destroy the earth by creating a machine, and the other might interpret that chapter to mean that the machine was created by God to punish man, and another might interpret the chapter to mean that there is no machine, and that God is simply purging the world of sinful men (I am not saying that this chapter exists, I am creating a ‘chapter’ purely for the purpose of example). Besides,
1) Nobody likes an “I-told-you-so-er”.
2) If the world DOES get sucked into a huge black hole, there’s no telling whether or not God could actually SAVE you from that. Maybe you won’t even exist to be able to say “I told you so”.
And of course, since I like to throw in a bit of sarcastic humor:
In the off chance that we DO all die, at least we won’t have to worry about global warming anymore.
153. Convinced | 09.10.08
I’m not worried or complaining. The only thing we as Christians fear is God.
I just thought this was a place to comment about what’s happening with the LHC. I think science is great, and its all about learning. No argument here.
154. Convinced | 09.10.08
No arguement here. I’m neither worried or afraid of the LHC. God, is the only one to fear. Man can kill the body, God can destroy both the body and the soul. Science is great, until someone gets hurt.
155. Fred Scrogins | 09.10.08
Did the computer grid switch on the LHC early generating a Electromagnetic pulse? for at 01.00 BST Wednesday 10-09-2008 I lost the internet for a short time also one of my digital clocks jumped back 3 minutes.
As you will have already heard we now we have another date-21 October 2008,when they may undertake {er no thats the wrong word} carry out the first collision,so may I suggest you place a couple of cushions behind the sofa this time,it will be more comfortable.
ello ello is there anyone there
156. Walter Ian Kaye | 09.10.08
Invented at CERN ca. 1990: WorldWideWeb
Invented at CERN ca. 2008: WorldWideDead
Hey! Who turned out the lights?
ET heads to Earth and receives a 404 error: Planet not found.
157. George Howard | 09.11.08
While there have been very good comments and arguments posted, I wanted to take a moment to interject…
Just a couple of thoughts and theories of my own concerning their diligent work…
Over the last century, take a look at some science flops. Then, do some digging and find out why they flopped. From Sputnik, to Apollo 13. Hubble, to Biochemical warfare which we are all affected by in some way shape or form. Even medications provided to us to help us get pulled ten years later due to lack of research and now one out of four people have had a heart attack…
In each instance, you will see these words… “It was a minor oversight.” and/or “We had gone over everything with a fine tooth comb, and can find no logical explanation for this occurrence.” But in science there has to be logic, or there would be no order so we begin the catch 22. We are trying to de-evolve and find out what started it all, in order for us to move forward. (As I beat my head against the wall) Can anyone hear thing of any form of research that would have benefited all mankind for 5.8billion dollars? Spilt milk now.
So, now that we now that they have not safe guarded against Murphy’s law, or Microsoft 
they have not posted a plan C anywhere. I’ve read “If things do not go as planned we will have to shut it down and then it’s back to the drawing board.” That has to be the most expensive statement in mankind’s history right now! Was that written by Bush?
1. An object in motion will stay in motion… The law of inertia. So, the core of this thing heats up to 15million degrees, hotter then the suns core. The conductors are going to be at absolute zero. I would like you to take a brick of dry ice, and touch a torches flame to it. Was this thought through clearly? Heat tends to move at a pretty good rate of speed and dissipate. So if that energy is held and maintained, shouldn’t we be hooking up some sort of harness to it??? If they have computer boards that can gather information in either 15million degrees or absolute zero, you would think that they would think of putting in some hot plates as well to transcend some of the burn off into useable energy would you not? “Slight oversight” So… We have this thing, and it doesn’t go exactly as planned, come to find out splitting a proton produces more energy than spitting an atom… Hadn’t thought about that… A single reaction from the smallest particle breaking the very fiber that creates ALL things, could this be an in vain cycle? The theory that they will react in the same way as they did during the big bang is ludicrous. No matter how true a vacuum may be, it will still be constrained to the laws that exist today, not the laws that were created when it originally occurred. What I mean by that is simple… Not just the turning of the earth will alter the paths of the particles (think of it like trying to drink coffee while your driving) but you also have the gravitation pull and magnetic of the earth as well, so if you draw it out… the model that the have on their web site would be decent in space about 5 light years away from any star or dust particle, but in reality it will look more like fire works or Slash’s hair on a good day. The arcs off less then a marc will send particles at near light speed back where they came from, and nothing we have can take a picture at .000001 seconds which is about how much time they will have before the particles (or what’s left) is so spread out that any information they may be able to gather will look like snow on a television… An IOD will burn itself out before it could capture the essence of a particle bouncing off of it, let alone matter traveling at near light speed. So even after the experiment, it will be how they hypothesize what has happened, because there will be no clear way to definitively say “this is what happened”
(Went a little off track, sorry) So, if you take matter from the particles that collide at near light speed, and you displace that energy out into several smaller forms of matter, regardless of how soft or small, it is going to go through whatever is holding it. If you throw a grain of sand, it’s not going to do much, but if you take a sand blaster to a wall and you can eat through it eventually… So I would like to know, if things do go wrong to what ever degree, how they plan on stopping material that at that speed would be impervious to magnetic or solid force.
Second, let’s say for a moment to amuse myself, that there is a fourth dimension, or a black hole… I would like to talk with someone who has either been to, created, seen, explored, or even witnessed one next to another form of matter (let alone inside other matter) to advise me directly of the ramifications that may or may not occur… Let’s just say for a moment, that at that speed and magnetism, everything goes according to plan, what reaction is our natural environment going to have against such rigid or hot temperatures? If the magnets are going to be that powerful, what impact with they have on the ground above and below at that depth? If they say they are not going to be that powerful, I would like to reiterate their own words… They will be super cooled to conduct more electricity… and when you add electricity to a magnet it gains in power, and thus the negative will pull the proton and the positive will repulse to the point of almost near light speed… Hold on a second! Super cooled magnetic conductors on a much smaller scale would make cars go! lol anywho… So the effect on the structure alone from the cold to the heat, the pull and push from the magnetism…
A. It will fall apart.
B. It will melt, and the protons now fused together by the extreme heat create a large nucleus which begins to absorb the absolute zero atoms like a wick…
C. The protons do split into various forms of matter which quickly attach themselves to other matter creating a new bond that which has never been seen or thought of, and when taken out for study, reacts violently or adversely with our current atmosphere. (And everything was going so bloody well!)
There are only about twelve or thirteen thousand other outcomes… One of which I may add, is that it goes off without a hitch, but with the track record they have on simple probes or medication I wouldn’t bet on it.
Before the next big endeavor, maybe they could concentrate on genetic perfection! I would love to be impervious to germs, as well as be able to quite smoking without having withdrawals! I’m sure that this experiment will answer those questions as well.
Goodbye for now, and thanks for reading.
George H.
158. George Howard | 09.11.08
Ok, I’ve read how black holes need gravity and air for growth. This would be an impossibility.
Think about the words before you put them into action. If black holes depended on gravity, it would stand to reason that they would be mobile. Gravity would pull then to an object to be eaten like pac man… O2 is not needed, or there wouldn’t be any black holes in existence in space. So, What would cause the creation of such an anomaly?
Consider this for just a moment… Let’s use the atom bomb as a guide to implosion. After exploding out and away from its center, there is an equal and sometimes worse back lash as O2 rushes in to replace the vacuum that was created by pushing all of the O2 away from itself. If you could freeze frame at the point of self collapse, and take gravity, O2, and particles out of the mix, you would have a vacuum that is greatest at its point of origin, and would crush anything put into it beyond comprehension. It would be the like using a 1,000 ton led weight to make a single peanut into peanut butter. The extreme would break it down too far.
So, let’s take a super nova, and set it to unstable rather than burn out. The explosion, followed by??? Complete lack of gravity, matter, dust, particles, O2, gases of any form, small cars, children, or anything else that you could possibly conjure up… That would be the only true time in space when you can say that there is absolute nothing. The problem with that theory is that there can not be absolute nothing, there fore we coined the term black hole and/or dark matter. Since there is no internal gravity, it will defy the laws of physics as we know it, and it will remain where it is at because there is no substance to pull. The force of the black hole is weaker as it extends out in the same way as gravity is to the solar system. So gravitational pull will affect the outer edges making it appear to be spinning, moving, warped, or cone shaped in some cases.
It is however an illusion unlike the eye of a hurricane, a black hole is stationary and it is the environment around it that shapes the outer rim.
Even on the smallest scale, it would affect the earths center of gravity and be stretched, or envelope itself. (The black hole, not the whole world)
159. Rob Hughes | 09.11.08
“I find it amusing that all those arguing how safe the LHC is, base their arguments on “theories”. I do find some solace that these theories were derived by some of the greatest minds around today (Hawkings), but can’t hang my hat on those theories like the rest of you. Our understanding of black holes is childish at best. We are dealing with a machine so powerful, even the most brilliant physicists of our time do not know what the outcome will be. That causes me to question the validity of their arguments on the safety of the LHC, let alone the fact that these safety reports were authored, or co-authored by CERNS own staff. Even with those concerns (I’m a scientist at heart), I say bring it on. The results will almost undoubtedly change our world in one way or another. However, one miscalculation will either bring about the greatest discovery man has ever made, or it will kill us all….man it’s like playing roulette and betting every penny you have on black. Spin the wheel boys, spin the wheel.”
yes shane, but the counterarguments for these theoretical arguments are either theories too or religious prophecies
now deep down inside i think we all know that religious prophecies are a load of bollocks, so stop disrespecting the scientists that have gone to all this effort and created something that simply WILL NOT cause the end of the world
160. Lelouch Vi Britannia | 09.11.08
all the speculations here are quite amusing some of it have point and relevance ‘i’ could say that if this machine would be successful don’t you think that they can surpasses the “GOD” but then the future is uncertain and unknown who knows what else could happen on that maybe worst or good
161. Sod | 09.11.08
Most of the comments against are rooted in either fundamentalist Christianity or popular culture misconceptions about what a black hole actually is.
Get a freaking life. Incidentally, I type this on the day they tested it and we’re all still here, right? Right!
162. Lelouch Vi Britannia | 09.11.08
@Sod
that only indicates that they have been epic phailed hahaha oh wow facepalm lol scientist say good bye to those dollars that have been wasted to fail
163. Cheek | 09.17.08
cue the song “final countdown”
Chaz your freaking hailarious…me im keeping my crowbar handy! 
jking but this scares me personally
164. Anirudh Kumar Satsangi | 09.23.08
Not concerned with LHC.
I have discovered a mathematical relationship for spiritual quoient (S.Q.) as a ratio of parasympathetic dominance to sympathetic dominance.
I have defined mind scientifically. Mind is a function of autonomic nervous system.
Body = Nuclear Force (weak as well as strong)
Mind = Electromagnetic Force.
Consciousness = Gravitation Force.
165. savannah | 09.26.08
i think that this crap is to riscky you do not kno w wahts going to hapen to the earth thats whats wrong with scientists they perdict they dont know what the hell this machine is going to do itsd crazy ness its not werth it atall.
166. Anirudh Kumar Satsangi | 09.27.08
All cosmological researches should be conducted keeping in view of the following philosophical facts:
It has been stated in Bible (John I-1) “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God,”
The Radhasoami Religion also tells that, the ‘Word’ mentioned above is in fact Current of Sound or Current of Consciousness or Prime Current of Spirituality which was issued forth from its Source, or Creator or God. This Current has later on produced light and other forces. The scientists are discussing these days about dark energy which constitute about 96% of the entire universe which is not known to us. Only 4% part of the universe is known to us by all scientific means. In fact this 96% invisible portion of the universe is the vast expanse of spirituality which can be designated as field of gravitational waves in scientific terms. Visible portion of the universe (4%) consists of consciousness (gravitational force), mental force (electromagnetic waves) and material force (strong and weak nuclear force).
Anirudh Kumar Satsangi
13 Sep 08 at 1:47 am
It’s not concerned with LHC experiment. I am working in the field of spiritual
167. Richard Kane | 09.29.08
Let’s stop discussing and start defending ourselves from madness. Since cosmic rays continue to pass thru the earth, the danger of one infesting with a mini black hole will continue on its way. So those arguing that one hasn’t ever imploded the earth doesn’t relate to a stationary Black Hole.
When the first Atomic Bomb was developed many scientists feared it would consume the earth. Next was the fear that gene spicing insecticide into plants would kill off all insects even poison mammals. Maybe this is what is killing the bees. Perhaps we can luck out and the earth not end up being destroyed by a Black Hole after all. But if we stop it, it will be a precedent for stopping the next dooms day machine or experiment that will.
Let’s stop being sheep and cows and march on our UN and demand that our United Nations stand up for us all for a change. We can have a sit-in if need be. But UN officials getting some real respect as the world government leaders might make them show a little responsibility for a change.
I know little about the danger except for Black Holes passing thru the earth near the speed of light can cause far less damage than a more stationary object. With 9/11, I know the government could have seized construction secrets, which would explain no good picture of the Pentagon crash. Since few people strangely died on the ground at the Pentagon.
Let’s defend our earth. Normal everyday mad science can be as dangerous as bin Laden. And if we start something dangerous but stop it, other can start it again for military purposes.
What day should we march our UN and demand that the peoples’ of the earth’s government say no?
A friend of mine an armchair scientist, got me to read this material, but I freaked out when I discovered that miney Black Holes passing all the way thru the earth at nearly the speed of light was used as a debating tactic to belittle the dangers of a more stationary Black Hole. Would a scientist join me in presenting a call to march on the UN with a little more scientific detail included? Before I post it all over the Internet.
RichardKanePA@aol.com,
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cont/blog/3138
RichardKanePA
168. Mike_K | 09.30.08
There’s a vote started about this topic -
http://www.willthelargehadroncolliderdestroytheearth.com
Currently majority think it will not destroy the earth
169. dp | 11.09.08
This might be the bump my retirement investments need when all this science is exploited and real consumer goods hit the market. Think I’ll look at Hadron, LLC’s market position.
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1. Robert I. Marsh II | 07.01.08
With half of the ‘Standard Model’ missing, shrouded within a mathematical haze of pure speculation (guessing), and CERN LHC being built upon these antiquated precepts, there is no telling what surprises await the CERN experiments! It will take these experimental discoveries, in order to extricate the physics community from their current stagnated, depressing, and quagmired positions! At least one sector of the ‘Standard Model’ will receive a tsunami of change, that will send the mathematicians and physicists scrambling wildly to install these new, much needed corrections! There is no doubt, that the future world desperate energy needs lie in LHC technologies; however, the production course should be traveled with extreme caution! The LSAG ’safety report’ only covers the lower energy ’start-up’ 2008 operation projections, and nothing toward the CERN pre-planned decade of precision energy upgrades, set to begin in 2009! This report also only covers previous public dockets of concern, but reflects nothing upon new emerging concerns, that are being raised ‘Behind Closed Doors’! The media is either unwilling or unable to penetrate the CERN ’safe-harbor’ meetings? CERN, at this time is grappling with multiple variance-calculation paradoxes, and was doing so as Michelangelo Mangano (and others) penned the safe go ahead! A ‘quiet the public’ document, that is anchored to the hole in a doughnut! I’ve read many comments, that suggest a Blackhole has been discovered: Inside the LSAG ’safety report’!!! But seriously — two situations have come to light: #1). CERN uncertainty concerning 2009 (once financed) ALICE heavy (Pb) ion collisions RE: Quantum Time-Dilation Contraction-Calibration Equations, used for particle beam timing/focus, to coordinate the two beams impact, in order to create optimum collisions per second, for analysis. These calculations must be precise, or damage to the facility can occur! #2). ALICE heavy ion collisions create hyper-density plasmatic fields, that can affect a gravitational curvature; which can allow a compression singularity vortex to form, and an event-horizon expansion. This is known as the: Einstein-Rosen Bridge wormhole: QUANTUM WORMHOLE!