Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor was in the Russell Senate Office Building on Tuesday to meet with some of the senators who will be considering her confirmation. Senate confirmation hearings are likely to include an examination of Judge Sotomayor's role in Ricci v. DeStefano.
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Sotomayor on tape: What she said in firefighter race case
She asked probing questions of each side in the reverse-discrimination suit. But the circuit court's 135-word summary order rubbed some the wrong way.
By Warren Richey | Staff writer/ June 3, 2009 edition
In answering lawyer Karen Torre’s argument that judges should not treat firefighters like unskilled laborers, Judge Sotomayor responds in an advocate-like manner using the royal “we.” It is unclear to whom the judge is referring to as “we.”
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Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor is an aggressive and, at times, dominating force on the bench.
There is nothing halfway about her. As a judge, she is tough, relentless. She does not telegraph her leanings by going easy on one lawyer while being excessively hard-nosed on another. Instead, her courtroom demeanor is that of an equal-opportunity buzz saw.
Everyone in Judge Sotomayor’s courtroom eventually bleeds a little.
That is the picture that emerges from an audio recording of a Dec. 10, 2007, oral argument presided over by Sotomayor and two other federal appeals-court judges in a controversial reverse-discrimination case called Ricci v. DeStefano.
That same case is now pending before the US Supreme Court, with a decision – and possible reversal of Sotomayor – expected later this month.
The Ricci case also is emerging as a focal point of the investigation into Sotomayor’s temperament, legal acumen, and judicial philosophy. It will probably play a central role in Senate confirmation hearings, particularly if Republicans try to make Sotomayor’s nomination into a referendum on the use of racial preferences in government employment decisions.
Roots of a discrimination case
At issue in Ricci v. DeStefano is whether the city of New Haven, Conn., acted properly in 2004 when it refused to follow through on planned promotions in the fire department after it discovered that no African-Americans had scored high enough on a civil service test to qualify to become a lieutenant or a captain.
Frank Ricci and 17 other firefighters who scored well on the test complained that the city was discriminating against them because of the color of their skin.
The city defended its action by saying that to promote the white employees but no black firefighters would cause a racial disparity in government hiring. Such a disparity is presumed unlawful under Equal Employment Opportunity Commission regulations and Title VII of the Civil Rights Act. If carried out, the promotions would leave the city vulnerable to a discrimination lawsuit by black firefighters, New Haven officials said.
The white firefighters responded by filing their own discrimination lawsuit.
A federal judge in New Haven threw the suit out in 2006. The firefighters appealed to the Second US Circuit Court of Appeals in New York City and drew a three-judge panel that included Sotomayor.
In addition to being an employment dispute, the case is a hot-button ideological battleground pitting race-based antidiscrimination measures against colorblind merit-based hiring and promotion procedures.
The Second Circuit, which covers New York, Vermont, and Connecticut, has three longstanding legal precedents on the books supporting the city’s position in the Ricci case. But six months before the Second Circuit heard arguments in the case, the US Supreme Court decided a pair of public-school desegregation cases, announcing a new level of hostility toward government use of race-based methods to distribute burdens or benefits.
Justice Anthony Kennedy provided the deciding fifth vote. But rather than endorsing his conservative colleagues’ strict colorblind approach in every instance, Justice Kennedy left the door open for some race-conscious remedies while urging officials to be creative in exploring approaches that do not rely on race.
The Supreme Court action did not overturn the Second Circuit precedents cited in the Ricci case, but it weakened them and raised questions about their long-term viability.
Thus, the stage was set for potential constitutional fireworks in the New Haven firefighter case. How would the Second Circuit panel – and Sotomayor – reconcile the conflicting legal precedents?
Throughout the argument, Sotomayor was fully engaged in the case, testing theories and questioning assertions of fact in ways that strongly suggest extensive prehearing research and preparation.
At times during the hour-long hearing, Sotomayor swung into action, probing flimsy parts of a lawyer’s argument to lay bare weaknesses and inconsistencies. The firefighters’ lawyer, Karen Torre, wasn’t the only target. Sotomayor also ripped into the presentation of New Haven’s lawyer, Richard Roberts. Fifty-five minutes into the argument, it was impossible to predict how she might vote based solely on her questions and comments from the bench.
The royal ‘we’
There was one moment, however, when the judge may have tipped her hand when she used the royal “we” in response to a comment made by Ms. Torre.
The firefighters’ lawyer was urging the judges not to treat her clients as unskilled workers. “This is a command position in a first-responder agency,” she said, not garbage collectors. The safety of the firefighters and the community is at stake, the lawyer said.
Sotomayor interrupted Torre and made an uncharacteristic advocate-like statement. “Counsel, we are not suggesting unqualified people be hired – the city is not suggesting that, all right.”
It is unclear who the judge was referring to as “we.” But it is clear that it did not include the firefighters and their supporters.
The judge then explained her point: “If your test is going to always put a certain group at the bottom of the pass rate so they are never, ever, going to be promoted, and there is a fair test that could be devised that measures knowledge in a more substantive way, then why shouldn’t the city have an opportunity to try … to develop that?”
The city’s professed concern about violating Title VII was merely pretext to cover up racial politics in New Haven, Torre told the court. The lawyer accused city officials of engaging in “race racketeering” by blocking the promotion of her clients to save the jobs for African-American “cronies” of a prominent leader in New Haven’s black community.
“The state is commanded, Judge Sotomayor, to not use the race of its citizens in a decision ever, unless it has the basis identified by the Supreme Court,” Torre said.
“But that is going too far, counsel,” Sotomayor replied, “because the law also says you can’t have a racially neutral policy that adversely affects minorities unless there is a business necessity.”
Torre said the civil service test involved a business necessity because its content was directly tied to job performance. She said the test was designed to identify the firefighters who best know what to do as officers in charge when they arrive at the scene of a fire or other disaster. “The law is clear on this…, and the Supreme Court jurisprudence is clear,” Torre said.
“What do you do with Justice Kennedy’s observation that there are creative ways to deal with racial diversity?” Sotomayor asked. “Targeting certain groups for more recruiting. Doing other things so that you can undo racial imbalance. Why is this any different?”
New Haven went to extraordinary lengths to create a fair exam for this particular promotion, Torre said. The city hired a consultant to specifically design the test to help minority candidates qualify for promotions, she said. The reading level was reduced to a fifth-grade literacy rate, and candidates were given a study guide and a three-month study period. The city recruited black and Hispanic fire chiefs from across the country to serve as test assessors. Assessment panels included a majority of African-American or Hispanic assessors, Torre said. Candidates were allowed to bring books and notes into the oral assessment part of the test. There were no time limits. Candidates were urged to take their time and jot down notes before answering, she said.
“What more can we do, Judge Sotomayor?” Torre asked.
New Haven’s turn for grilling
New Haven’s lawyer, Mr. Roberts, said the firefighters’ lawsuit had been properly dismissed because the white firefighters failed to prove the city engaged in unlawful discrimination. He said New Haven officials were merely seeking to comply with the letter and spirit of Title VII.
Roberts said that as long as the city’s civil service board had a “reasonable belief” that a new and different test might reduce the racial disparity of the existing test, it was justified in jettisoning the existing test results.
“At what point does reasonable belief hold up?” Sotomayor asked. “At a certain point there is a vested, an investment by the [firefighters] and by the city itself in this testing procedure. People are making enormous investments. Don’t they have to have some reasonable ground to say there is a question [about the fairness or validity of the test]?”
After the results of the test came back, the city and its civil service board relied on the testimony of a business competitor of the consultant who designed New Haven’s test. The competitor/expert offered an opinion that his test would be better. He did not conduct a detailed examination of the existing test, according to the case record.
“What is the city supposed to do?” Roberts asked. “Should we have certified [the exam results] based on a presumptively discriminatory test, sat back, and waited to be sued by the minorities?”
He added, “The city did exactly what Title VII strongly encourages – voluntary compliance.”
Roberts warned that if the appeals-court panel ruled against New Haven, “you are sending a signal to employers and municipalities: Don’t self-remediate, certify these exams, don’t even look into alternatives.”
Sotomayor took issue with the point. “I don’t know that that’s as far as your adversaries are proposing. What they are saying is you should remediate but you shouldn’t permit race to be the driving force on either end.”
She added: “It should be based on some objective standard. You look at the test and determine whether the test was in fact fair or not. And if you are going to say it was unfair, point to specific ways it was or wasn’t, and make sure there really is a fairer test.”
Roberts disputed Torre’s contention that the test was fair and job-related. “There’s never been a validation study,” he said.
(New Haven’s civil service process provides that, once the test is given, the results are submitted to a validation study to ensure that it was a fair exam. The white firefighters urged the city to conduct an objective validation study to determine if the test was fair or biased. City officials refused to allow a validation study. Instead, they relied on opinion testimony presented in a public hearing expressing doubts about the test and suggesting a better test could be designed.)
Roberts told the appeals-court panel that whether the test would pass muster in a validation study was not the issue.
“Why isn’t it the issue?” Sotomayor asked. “If you have a [city] charter that commands you to certify [that the test was fair], the charter says the board has to certify a test that is valid.”
Roberts: “Yes.”
Sotomayor: “So doesn’t that say that it has to make a finding that the test is invalid before it doesn’t use it? And if it is using race to make that determination, isn’t that illegal?”
Roberts said the city acted properly because its intent was to comply with Title VII and avoid a situation in which the city would promote whites but not a single black. “The city did the right thing here,” he said. “They did not certify based on a presumptively discriminatory exam when they heard credible information regarding alternatives.”
A controversial outcome
Two months after the oral argument in February 2008, the Second Circuit panel issued a unanimous, unsigned summary order. It upheld the federal judge’s “thorough, thoughtful, and well-reasoned” decision to throw the white firefighters’ case out. The order was a single paragraph – 135 words.
“We are not unsympathetic to the [firefighters’] expression of frustration. Mr. Ricci, for example, who is dyslexic, made intensive efforts that appear to have resulted in his scoring highly on one of the exams, only to have it invalidated,” the order says in part. “But it simply does not follow that he has a viable Title VII claim. To the contrary, because the board, in refusing to validate the exams, was simply trying to fulfill its obligations under Title VII when confronted with test results that had a disparate racial impact, its actions were protected.”
The panel did not address – or even acknowledge – the Supreme Court’s June 2007 decision. Sotomayor referred to it during the oral argument, but there is no indication in the public record that the Second Circuit considered it in reaching its decision.
The brief order provoked an unusual request within the Second Circuit for the Ricci case to be reheard by all 13 active appeals-court judges. The judges voted 7 to 6 not to rehear the Ricci case.
Torre filed an appeal to the US Supreme Court. The case was heard on April 22.
Some legal analysts criticize Sotomayor for her role in the Ricci case. They say it deserved a full appellate examination and opinion.
Others defend the summary order as an efficient use of judicial resources. Seventy-five percent of cases end at the Second Circuit as summary orders, says Doug Kendall of the Constitutional Accountability Center.
He says Sotomayor’s posture in the Ricci case, upholding circuit precedents by upholding a district court’s decision, is not the work of a judicial activist. “A thorough review of Judge Sotomayor’s record reveals that she is the epitome of a small ‘c’ conservative judge,” he says. “She is very careful. She is a stickler for precedent and details.”
Michael Rosman has followed the Ricci case closely for years, filing friend-of-the-court briefs on behalf of the Center for Individual Rights. He says he was disappointed by the Second Circuit’s skimpy treatment of the issues.
If given a chance, Mr. Rosman says, he’d ask Sotomayor two questions. “Why did you think this could just be given the back of your hand when it was, in fact, a pretty important case?”
His second question: “What did the Supreme Court see that you didn’t?”
That answer may come soon. A high-court decision in the Ricci case is expected by the end of June.
Comments
2. law student | 06.03.09
“What did the Supreme Court see that [she] didn’t?”
Probably an opportunity to clarify its recent rulings. That’s not the job of a Circuit Judge.
3. ReignForrest | 06.03.09
Come on. It is clear that the “we” in “we’re not suggesting unqualified people be hired …” is intended to be part of a hypothetical scenario: “IF WE WERE TO CONSIDER HIRING ANY FIREFIGHTERS AT ALL, they wouldn’t be unqualified … etc.”
That “we” isn’t giving away Sotomayor’s personal preference at all.
4. Kasha VP | 06.03.09
I keep getting stuck on the line about the reading standard being lowered to the fifth grade level. How much lower would we want to go I wonder? Care was taken to see that the material covered in the exam was fair and all parties seemed to have the same opportunity to study the same material. That seems reasonable to me.
5. Siggy Latarski | 06.03.09
Pat, you called it about 20 years ago. We are seeing the Constitution and its intent trampled upon, our borders ignored, The safety and interests of the American people ignored, a few citizens left to protect and risk their lives for the country while the rest go clubing.
You were vilified and slandered, but proven prophetic. Thanks for the good fight.
6. Dallas | 06.03.09
Wow. We are going to have an overt racist on the supreme court. I love the Progress(tm)
7. Teri B. | 06.03.09
Uh huh . . .so were’s the “tape”? Your headline is deceptive.
I’m so sick of all this intellectually lazy **** in the part of the MSM. Read the case AND the underlying one, and if you still don’t understand it, consult an attorney. Stop trying to report on things you haven’t even bothered to try to understand.
8. Marc | 06.03.09
I wonder if she were a white man , with the same record, would she be examined as closely? And would she be voted in?
I am a white man, conservative, Christian. I have been Democrat & Republican, now Independant. I’m not sure I want this person to get a paycheck for life from us, the taxpayer. I’m afraid she’s too flaky for me. But, I’ve been wrong before…just ask my ex-wife.
9. Gary | 06.03.09
This is what affirmative action has done to this country. Instead of promoting and driving people to be smart, we encouraging our citizens to be dumb, and that as a minority you are entitled to a position weather you “qualify” for it or not. Get skin color, race etc…..out of the requirements and base it soley on testing (smarts). We are now one of the dumbest, laziest counties in the world. I’m embarresed for my country
10. Brian | 06.03.09
Sounds like Sotomayor is specifically looking for a RACIAL means to come out with a politically correct outcome.
So regardless of facts, and dumbing down the tests to make it equal for on based on education, Sotomayor wants to find a way to get more minorities promoted.
The only way people should be promoted is to be equal and completely racially blind, which is especially required for a supreme court judge.
Sotomayor sounds like the wrong type of judge for the supreme court but exactly what Obama wants.
I think its about time we through out racial agendas and start judging people on merits instead of skin color. And yes you’d think a “judge” would be better at this than the average citizen.
12. Harvey | 06.03.09
It would appear that on appeal to a three judge panel the firefighters were unable to present sufficient evidence to overturn the finding in a lower court. This was a unanimous decision. The question that should asked here is how does this finding fall in Judge Sotomayor’s lap?
13. Steve in AZ | 06.03.09
The royal “WE” used by Sotomayor is clearly, “we non-whites”. She had a pre-determined opinion going into this case and her vote to sumarily reject Mr. Ricci’s complaint was cast long before the lawyers even showed up to present their arguments (ie: “He’s white — he loses”). The “tough” questioning of New Haven’s lawyers was just hand-waving and “caca del torro” on her part to try to give her some political cover. It’s painfully as simple as that. She is not the kind of judge we need on the Supreme Court. In fact, she is really no better than the white Supreme Court justices upholding the “Jim Crow” segragation laws in 1896. No matter what the skin color, or century; a racist is a racist is a racist. If she is confirmed, will she recuse herself in the Ricci case, if there isn’t a ruling by then? I doubt the “La Raza” activist has the ethics to do that.
14. Keith Harrison | 06.03.09
I think the controversy created over Sotomayor’s participation and ruling on this case is completely over blown. Whether or not I agree with the ruling, it certainly was not something scandalous, activist, or appaling. It was a very difficult case with merit on both sides. The 3 judge appeals court judges sided with the New Haven federal judge. Nothing unusual about that. Reading some of the transcripts demonstrates to me that Sotomayor very carefully considered the merits of both sides. Apparently, there wasn’t a strong enough argument on the side of the firefighters to cause Sotomayor, or either of the other two judges, to reverse the lower court. I think in a case in which both sides have a reasonable argument, lower court rulings are upheld.
15. Mudgard | 06.03.09
That’s so convenient. Take the test, pass it, then the judges declare the test invalid because a group, yes, a group, could not pass it. Wonder how it would have gone had it been the other way around. Now they will undoubtedly “water” down the test to make it easier for everyone to pass. You will have no clear winners in this. Yes, give medals to EVERYONE just like a Special Olympics Meet! Everyone’s a winner! And our government wonders what’s wrong with out schools. Pathetic beyond words.
16. Eric | 06.03.09
As Sotomayer sees it, the only standard for whether a test is discriminatory is if white males do too well on it. New Haven bent over backwards to make this test slanted toward Blacks and Hispanics. The post hoc rejection by New Haven is obvious discrimination. Sotomayer’s summary judgment in favor of anti-white discrimination disqualifies her for the Supreme Court. I have been a strong Obama supporter but this appointment must be rejected for our country to maintain its integrity.
17. Motor | 06.03.09
So this means I won’t be hired even if I’m better qualified and score higher on the test just because I’m white? Wow! If that’s not racisist then what is?
18. Mike Andrews | 06.03.09
So if the City did have a range of people of different races that came out qualified someone could have still sued to have the whole thing thrown out because it wasn’t “certified”? That doesn’t seem right either. Seems to me the ruling wants it both ways, the test was “certified” so since no non-whites passed it is okay to throw it out. This decision seems to be missing the whole point, everyone had an equal chance, the City tried their best to get many different ethnic backgrounds thru the test but failed, but since they didn’t like the results they just get to throw it out?! What about the guys that did thier best and it was good enough? Didn’t they try to do exactly what the City asked them to do? Why should they be punished for doing that?
20. sanjait | 06.03.09
To answer Mr. Rosman’s questions:
Sotomayor gave the case the “back of (the) hand” because there was established precedent at the 2nd Circuit. Judges don’t just look for cases that are arguably “pretty important” in deciding what gets more than summary judgment, they also look for cases that have aspects that are substantively novel compared to the applicable precedents. Apparently this case was not.
The SCOTUS, on the other hand, saw the case differently because they are a different court. They aren’t bound by 2nd circuit precedent. People want to call Sotomayor out for the firefighter case, but all she did was decide as the legal system demanded. Many of the same people who decry “activist judges” are criticizing her for not being more activist.
21. richard potter | 06.03.09
SotoMayor used good judgement and exemplified proper judicial review of the substantive issues on both sides. Race/Ethnicity should not be the driving force but fairness should.
22. Brenda Gomez | 06.29.09
A test is a test. If we have to present a test to an adult at a 5th grade reading level or lower were in big trouble. Any adult who cannot pass a state given exam for a firefighter that saves lives should not be a fire fighter. If they can’t read at a 12th grade level they shouldn’t be given the exam at all! Do these fire fighters who failed the test even have a high school diploma? America…wake up were in enough trouble as it is.
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1. Thomas | 06.03.09
Let me preface my comment by indicating that I am not a minority.
What goes around comes around. If you think the Supreme Court, dominated by pastey males for it’s history, has turned a color-blind eye to the rule of law for it’s duration, please let me know what you are smoking, I want to visit your crazy world.
What goes around comes around. If Ms. Sotomayor brings her “Latina experience” to the Court, well, it’s about time the court looked through a different lens.
What goes around comes around. Ya’ll ever heard of karma? Well, here’s your karma.