California Senator Barbara Boxer (not pictured) sounded a lot like South Park's Eric Cartman yesterday when she demanded that Brigadier General Michael Walsh respect her authority. Walsh made the inexcusable mistake of calling her "Ma'am" instead of "Senator".
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Boxer scolds Army General for not calling her “Senator”
By Jimmy Orr | 06.18.09
Ever wonder what Eric Cartman might sound like if he was in Congress? Wonder no more…
California Senator Barbara Boxer is a Senator. And if you don’t acknowledge it, she’ll demand you acknowledge it. Even if you’re a General in the United States Army.
Katrina
Brigadier General Michael Walsh appeared before the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works yesterday to discuss the restoration process of the New Orleans’ levee system due to the damage created by Hurricane Katrina.
There’s still a lot of work to be done. Billions of dollars have been spent and there are no permanent structures in some areas that would prevent such a disaster from occurring again.
Obviously Committee Chairwoman Barbara Boxer has a right to be concerned with this. After all, it’s her committee.
Did she voice her concern?
Absolutely. But what got her most rankled was when she wasn’t addressed properly. It seems that “ma’am” — a term deemed appropriate by a Military Protocol guide — isn’t good enough for the senator. She demands the title “Senator”. So much so that she interrupted his testimony to scold him for the apparent lack of respect.
Respect my authoritay
When beginning to address one of her questions, Boxer Senator Boxer immediately cut him off to correct him.
“You know, do me a favor,” Boxer Senator Boxer demanded. “Could say ’senator’ instead of ‘ma’am?’”
“Yes, ma’am,” Walsh answered.
“It’s just a thing, I worked so hard to get that title, so I’d appreciate it, yes, thank you,” Boxer Senator Boxer continued.
“Yes, senator,” he said.
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Of course, those on the right are going ballistic on this one.
“Respect is something that must be earned, and Boxer has done nothing to earn her title except dupe a few weak minded Californians to vote for her,” writes Bryan McAffee over at RightPundits. “It is also somewhat ironic that she is chastising a man who has worked very hard to get his title and she doesn’t seem to show any respect for him by calling him General. Of course her contempt for the military is well known, so I’m not surprised.”
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2. Andre | 06.18.09
I bet if you were a Senator, you would change your tune. How silly your article is.
3. Darryl Bonds | 06.18.09
Maybe Mrs. Boxer would rather be called ‘Sir.’ Way too much ego displayed by Senator Boxer.
4. SDB | 06.18.09
As a veteran, I am disgusted by the audacity and pomp of our public officials. Considering our elected officals have a direct impact on military affairs, we should require every politician to be a veteran. At a minimum, attend and graduate Basic Training/AIT just to be allowed to run for election. I would love to hear the response Sen. Boxer would get in Basic Training.
6. FedUp | 06.18.09
Ms. Boxer take your bleach blonde hair and go back to California. You serve at the will of the people not at your own pleasure and should remember such.
8. Bobbie | 06.18.09
Classic example of a person who does understand nor respect the culture/etiquette of the military.
The Senator just doesn’t understand the meaning and/or proper use of the saluation “Ma’am”, but she is not alone. I once sent an email to a (female) US Government GS level civil servant; she actually was insulted that I used “Ma’am” instead of her name in the email. Amazing.
9. annoymouse | 06.18.09
Senator is the last thing that I would call Boxer. She earned nothing.
BTW Boxer, senator is now a derogatory term.
10. gjg | 06.18.09
Oh, give me a break Senator “Mama” sure is full of herself, how about getting down on one knee would that better fit what Boxer wants. Respect is earned, what in all of her years in Washington has she accomplished other than be a blight to the state of California.
11. Jack | 06.18.09
Perhaps it’s because the General came from an institution that is dominated by men that he doesn’t realize that women in position of power is very sensitive to being treated like “the little lady” by the good-old-boys. Some women do find it demeaning to be address as Ma’am when they are senators. It has to do with the baggage that comes from a patriarchy society and rise of feminism. We should be a little bit more sensitive — give Barbara Boxer a break.
12. Will D, | 06.18.09
Good for her. She has every right to be called by her title just as much as anyone in the military. It’s common knowledge and anything less is disrespectful. Anyone who works in a hospital knows that Doctor is not Doc, nor sir- it’s Doctor. Even if you work in a kitchen it’s always Chef. This is basic and especially someone in the military should know this. Without doubt he was very unprofessional.
13. Deborah A. | 06.18.09
Senator Boxer should be called Senator.
Hillary Clinton should have been addressed as Senator Clinton on NPR when Juan Williams consistently called her Mrs. Clinton and Obama Senator Obama during the last election.
What’s so confusing to men about this?
14. earn my respect | 06.18.09
These people must be idiots. She doesn’t have anything more important to worry about?
15. Marc | 06.18.09
What does she think, she’s in the House of Lords? The Constitution forbids American citizens holding “titles”.
16. Rich Morey | 06.18.09
For many people, calling someone “Ma’am” or “Sir” is just as respectful as calling them by their title — and I totally agree that she should have responded by calling him SIR or General!
17. Winston Smith | 06.18.09
Ms. Boxer did not properly address the General by his title and I am sure that he has worked long, harder and sacrificed more for his title that she could ever dream of.
18. Jack | 06.18.09
I hope when the mighty Senator looks back at this she’ll see how very petty it was. We can only hope after the next election she’ll be back to ma’am only.
19. Dale Parker | 06.18.09
This is the ultimate in being a snob. Ma’am is a title of respect to a member of the female sex irregardless of her rank or status. Chastise me for using it and the next response will be as rude as yours. The General sould demand an public apology. Then again what do you expect from a Senator of the United States.
20. dharper | 06.18.09
Boxer should be thankful that this ‘gentleman’ has the decency to call her “Ma’am.” That is being a great deal more respectful than what she deserves.
Their are addt’l titles that could precede her last name such as: “Flake” - “Phoney” - “Lackey” - “Sheepul” - “Nincompoop” - “Failure” - “Insignificant”
If she were to be half as concerned with her responsibilities as a Senator as she is about her “Title” (perhaps she prefers to be addressed as “Her Majesty”) she could garner some respect.
I commend the General for his restraint - I condemn Boxer for her lack of simple civility.
The quicker you people in Calif. get rid of this ‘mental midget’ the better off your state and this nation will be.
23. Hammer | 06.18.09
What a joke. From a military standpoint, using the word ma’am is a sign of respect for a higher ranking female officer. I guess Boxer doesn’t know that and probably showed her bias against the military by getting defensive. Eric Cartman would probably be a better choice for senator but alas, we have the Gentle Woman From California.
24. jean | 06.18.09
I believe that the respect is deserved we are talking about a Senator who was put in place by the people.
25. Frosted Flake | 06.18.09
I agree with Joyce. I mean, what has Congress DONE this century?
Protected American values in regards: Bush, et al?
Nope.
Moreover, examined appropriately, a demand for respect is a clear statement by Boxer that she KNOWS how much respect she deserves. And would prefer more.
How would you respond had she said this to you?
26. Joel | 06.18.09
I wonder what the General thought of the Senator in that moment of condescension, while he sat upright & attentive after fighting his whole life to protect this country as she slouched over so obviously burdened by her self-important responsibilities for protecting her fragile ego…
27. JP | 06.18.09
It’s time we learned to have a little respect for each other, no matter what our circumstances. I’m tired to hearing people rag on government as if it were the sole reason for everything that happens in our lives. Personally, I do respect government workers because they do provide very important services that we requires to live safe lives. Is there a bad apple in the bunch, sure, but so are there bad apples in every other segment of our society. So, once in a while, let’s get off the “beat on government for the **** of it” wagon, and ask ourselves why we want to shout and scream blame of others. Maybe a little inward looking might be beneficial!
28. Tim B. | 06.18.09
As a Californian I have been embarrassed for many years to be “represented” by Barbara Boxer. The only thing that is more embarrassing is that my fellow Califorinans are so incredibly stupid that they re-elected her a couple of years ago.
29. Flint | 06.18.09
Mr. Walsh should have demanded that he be called General Walsh! He is a thousand times more deserving of being addressed respectfully than Boxer, err Senator Boxer that is. 
32. Elly | 06.18.09
The fact is the General was being referred to as ‘General’ and he called the other (male) Senators on the committee, ‘Senator’. But not Senator Boxer- whom he repeatedly referred to as ‘ma’am’.
In actuality- the General was violating military, federal and standard protocol to refer to a sitting, elected official by anything other than proper title in a federally authorized meeting.
It was demeaning and I am glad she stepped up to the plate. He was not dealing with a little old lady he was helping across the street and the men who have been playing neanderthal macho man with our Country for the past 8 years had better figure that out.
Now why don’t you publish some REAL news about Senator Boxer - like her attempts to protect the public by getting arsenic and lead filled coal ash ponds regulated by the EPA so that they have minimum safety standards that prevents them from breaking down- like the one in Tennessee that displaced hundreds and possibly poisoned thousands of Americans?
Or is all this inconsequential slander and fluff designed to avoid that part of the news about SENATOR Boxer?
At one time I respected your news - but no more.
33. Patrick | 06.18.09
He should have refered to her as who she really is, Senator Dirt-bag. American dont respect Senators they hold contempt for senators so it is appropriate that she demand to be refered to as something Americans despise.
34. Joey | 06.18.09
What a complete ***** - that is what I would have called her. She had no more right to be referred to as “senator” than he did as “General” - he’s earned more respect than she will ever be able to.
I wonder why California is going broke with people like this making decisions?
35. Nathan (california native) | 06.18.09
Call her ma’am. What a whiny little kid. I am pretty sure this is not the first nor the last time she will be called this when talking to military personnel.
Boxer you are a sad excuse of a person. Get off your high horse and realize to whom you are talking to. Boxer your service to this nation is piddle-crap compared to every person in the armed forces. I actually appreciate your inability to be humble considering you were in office during the debacle and inability of the Federal Government to respond properly and in a timely manner to the devastation of Katrina. What makes you even think for a second you deserve anything more than what a service member would offer a female superior officer?
36. Terry US Army Vet | 06.18.09
As a General in the US military he should have gotten the correct title after he was corrected the first time. To use the analogy of Basic Training, Walsh needs to be reminded of how to address people right till he gets it right. As any vet from the military would tell you who had a female Drill Sargent.
The article lacks any journalistic integrity but Im sure its ‘tops’ for a rag like The Christian Science Monitor. Keep up the good work and maybe this publication will line the birdcage on its best day.
37. Liliana | 06.18.09
I see nothing wrong with her request. She is a senator. Does Army protocol also offer Mister (or Sir) for male senators? Obviously, people have axes to grind about Senator Boxer, but she is a senator.
38. Steve G | 06.18.09
If he addressed all of the males as ‘Senator’, then Boxer was obligated to correct him.
If not, she still had the right to request it. This column is just more right wing rat food for the chumps.
39. Simon | 06.18.09
For folks who want to bash Senator Boxer, consider that “ma’am” is derived from the French “madame” or “my lady,” and comes off paternalistic, particularly when used in a Congressional hearing. Boxer was stating that she wanted to be treated the same as her male colleagues by being referred to simply as “Senator.”
Further, contrary what the writer claims, Army Pamphlet 600–60 Guide to Protocol specifies this: (http://www.usapa.army.mil/pdffiles/p600%5F60.pdf)
“Conversation… When the senator is a woman: Use Senator”
Ready to apologize, Jimmy?
40. JIM | 06.18.09
IF IT’S ALRIGHT TO ADDRESS A MALE SENATOR AS “SIR” I DON’T SEE WHAT HER GRIPE IS, OTHER THAN EGO. P.S. IAM A DEMOCRAT
41. Josh | 06.18.09
This is exactly what our founding fathers (sorry SENATOR BOXER, they weren’t our founding MOTHERS) did not want — public officials to treat themselves as royalty. She should be the one thanking him. She is a testament to all the loons in California who will vote for her till she is 99 years old.
44. J.Smith | 06.18.09
I’m in Kalifornia. Don’t blame me (well, actually, initially, you can). I vote against her in every election, as well as against our other imperial senator, feinstein. It’s just the rest of the pointy-headed, pseudo-intellectuals out here that FAIL to recognize what a disease our current CA senators are!
(I have to confess, I did vote for Her Imperial Majesty Barbara The 1st when she first ran for office because the dude running against her (Herschensen, IIRC) was such a neo-NAZI, and it was a very close election, I thought I was voting for the far lesser of 2 evils. I was wrong. I should have done a write in of “Mickey Mouse.” I’ve regretted it ever since, and I would like to apologize to the entire country for having EVER voted for her. Please forgive me, I knew not what I was doing. As penitence, I’ve voted against her in every election since, and will continue to do so. Neither of our CA senators are worth
45. Bo Lee | 06.18.09
Wow, she is so full of herself. If the General was addressing a lower ranking officer they say “yes sir” to him. It is perfectly acceptable according to the militay code of conduct to say sir or ma’am to a superior.
46. Moojii | 06.18.09
Worked hard? I doubt Ms. Boxer even knows the meaning of the term, “Hard Work.”
47. Jack | 06.18.09
Senator Boxer next time call Mr. Walsh as Brigadier General ok he also works hard to get that title… right General Walsh? youre on my side men.. hehehe
48. Duane | 06.18.09
It is true Boxer is a Senator. You are however a JUNIOR SENATOR FROM CALIFORINA and I doubt the General is a junior General. Yes your probbly right the General should have addressed you as The junior senator from califorina making sure he said very loud (junior).
Since Califorina is already going down the drain, it doesn’t say much for the junior senator or the rest who serve with her.
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49. Chris | 06.18.09
In our form of government, Senator is an office and NOT a title. Barbara Boxer’s real title should be Madame Dingbat!
50. annonymouse | 06.18.09
Quote: “I hope when the mighty Senator looks back at this she’ll see how very petty it was. We can only hope after the next election she’ll be back to ma’am only.:
Not likely. She IS from California, the state that is broke but will not roll over and die, that the voters still think they are entitled to everything, even though they can’t afford it.
Does that tell you something?
51. David La | 06.18.09
This makes me sick to see this twit do this to an army general! I hope and pray the morons that voted her last time will wake up and see the disaster and embarassment she truly is to her constituents!!
52. Kevin B | 06.18.09
If a male senator had requested what Sen. Boxer requested, this would be a non-issue.
This reeks of right wing sexism in it’s truest form.
53. Sean | 06.18.09
From my experience in the US Army when speaking directly with superior ’sir’ or ‘ma’am’ are used.In this way the subordinate is verbally recognizing their superior. When refering to a particular individual rank is ALWAYS used ie; Captain Walsh, Sergeant Clark, General Ramirez, Senator Boxer.
This is how it’s done in the military/ Why would a career soldier suddenly change?
Other than on the childish whim of an incredibly arrogant politician that it is.
54. just me | 06.18.09
Ma’am is good enough for the Queen of England and other female leaders. That the general called Boxer “Ma’am” is a sign of great respect - especially if he called the others merely a senator; it shows that he is acknowledging her leadership in this matter.
55. Greg | 06.18.09
She demands to be addressed as ’senator’ but never once addresses the general by his proper title of ‘general’ or even the slightly-less but still respectful title of ’sir’ which is the equivalent of how he was addressing her.
She demanded respect from him but gave none in return.
56. fred | 06.18.09
the fact that she WANTS to be called a senator. from california. kinda tells you all you need to know about this one.
sir, i requests that yousa call me mentally challenged idiot gump, iffin ya dont mind. i worked real hard for that title. oh and i’m froma doofusville too; dont forgeet that.
57. Wil Burns | 06.18.09
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
59. fred | 06.18.09
will burns, we actually found it. a long time ago. some dudes actually figured it out for us. they made this thing called the united states constitution. which is rooted in the persuit of enlightened self interest of individuals. it actually led to the creation of the most prosperous and generous nation in the history of the planet. and all that done buy just a bunch of ordinary folks. mutts really. the cast offs from the “elite” (old) parts of the planet, where they didnt let folks persue their self-interest. there ya go, big guy. the constitution, i figure ya might never heard of it. check it out. its really cool. tell your frinds about it too. they might be unacquainted with it. peace bro.
60. Jarrod Hubbard | 06.18.09
Being from Sacramento i implore all of you to Google the words, “Stan Atkinson Barbara Boxer” With one word from 1992 he will teach you all you need to know about Mz Boxer.
61. Mac | 06.18.09
As a Kalifornian myself, it pains me to see someone who was given a position in the government by her like-minded party members (all morons in my own personal opinion) practically throw a hissy fit over the title that she “worked hard” to get.
Just because you convinced a bunch of people to give you and your party money doesn’t mean jack to me.
A soldier is never given his or her rank, they have to earn each and every title with proven skills acquired through their training.
They sacrifice their lives, personal freedom, making practically no money, for the benefit of others while politicians like Boxer vote herself a new raise yearly while the state she “represents” spirals out of control on the budget.
The general has every right to call her ********, **** for brains, thief, paid liar, ***** if he really wanted to. She has never supported our troops and yet the General still addresses her properly as Ma’am.
62. Thomas Ruth | 06.18.09
I guess it’s up to the voters of California to decide if she keeps her title. BTW, soldiers are instructed to address their female superiors as “Maam”.
Get over it, SENATOR!!!
64. SIM | 06.18.09
I am less bothered with ole Babs demanding to be called Senator than I am by the way she delivered the message (although she didn’t “earn” the title Senator- it was given to her by the people). Rudley interrupting someone who is testifying, slouching over like a teenager, and not showing the slightest shred of respect for the uniform make her unworthy even of the title of ma’am. To get respect you must give it.
66. Jay Singer | 06.18.09
Hey Terry US Army Vet , its spelled Sergeant, not Sargent. If you cannot even spell your OWN rank then what use is your option to the rest of us….
I believe the General was flabbergasted when she made such an outrageous demand. If she really was offended, that was not the time or place to make such a request, it should have been handled on the sidelines.
69. Frey | 06.18.09
The funny thing is that both are terms of respect and Ma’am is a term of respect both inside and outside of the military. It would have been just as ridiculous if he had been referring to her as Senator and she got in a huff and told her to use “ma’am” instead.
Protocol for State visits to Britain call for calling the Queen “Ma’am”.
70. William Tenor | 06.18.09
“The fact is the General was being referred to as ‘General’ and he called the other (male) Senators on the committee, ‘Senator’. But not Senator Boxer- whom he repeatedly referred to as ‘ma’am’.
In actuality- the General was violating military, federal and standard protocol to refer to a sitting, elected official by anything other than proper title in a federally authorized meeting.
It was demeaning and I am glad she stepped up to the plate.”
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To #32, the Response by Elly is a blatant lie (not surprising - what
are you from Boxer’s office or worse yet a friend of the fiendish senator).
The General called the male Senators “Sir” (not Senator, you lying lefty weasel !!!), the equivalent of ma’am for the female senators. It is a sign of respect for a higher authority figures in the military, plain and simple.
Yor Precious Princess Senator has always been tart with military officials. And your goofy diction regarding “military protocol” is laughable.
Wait a second Barbara….. is that you ?????? 
71. KJ | 06.18.09
Being from California and having moved out of that mess 3 years ago, I could think of much worse names to call her (none of them are Maam or Senator)along with the rest of the 3 stooges (Pelosi and Feinstein) who killed that state.
KJ
itsyourcountrystupid.com
72. Chris NNC | 06.18.09
Wing nuts always demand the utmost respect, thats why Fixed Noise always calls the Newster “Mr Speaker” but that demand only highlights their hypocrisy. They never refer to Nancy Pelosi as Madam Speaker.
73. Mary E | 06.18.09
It’s amazing that the senator wanted her due respect, but would not give it to the person she was talking to. What an embarassment for her.
74. MaggieL | 06.18.09
The man spent a lifetime following a protocol every day that calls for him to address seniors as “sir” or “ma’am”, but Boxer’s little intimidation scam is more important than that.
As for “this is what you chose to report on?”…just remeber that this is what Boxer chose to spend the Senate’s time on, trying to intimidate her witness.
75. Riptide | 06.18.09
In response to: 40. Simon
“Further, contrary what the writer claims, Army Pamphlet 600–60 Guide to Protocol specifies this: (http://www.usapa.army.mil/pdffiles/p600%5F60.pdf)”
Perhaps it would be helpful if you stated the FULL title of Army Pamphlet 600-60. A Guide to Protocol and Etiquette for Official Entertainment.
I would not classify the setting this conversation took place in as “Entertainment” for either one of them.
77. Ken | 06.18.09
Do we really want people of Barbra Boxers mentality to interview people? You get much more information by being friendly and not condescending…
It is a shame we have this type of elected offical.
78. Zach Watkins | 06.18.09
These people in the Senate are so stupid. The General is 10 times smarter then her ***.
79. Alex | 06.18.09
I don’t know what’s worse, Barbara’s blatant disrespect to the General in her tone, posture, and words, or the idiots who are trying to defend her. It’s one thing to ask respectfully for the General to address her by her desired title, but to BLATANTLY INTERRUPT the General WITHOUT SHOWING ANY RESPECT for the General in addressing him. You lousy liberals are defending her because she’s a liberal. I cannot possibly comprehend that someone’s ideologies are on par with her snotty elitist attitude. This is just absolutely disgusting.
80. Rob Z | 06.18.09
I’m pretty sure Congresswoman would be appropriate. Senators like to distinguish themselves from the 435 losers in the House of Reps. You’re totally a pathetic loser if you support Senator over Ma’am.
She worked so hard…screw that…she didn’t do **** to earn that title. She won an election spending other peoples money. I’ll tell you one thing, you don’t get the rank of General with a popular vote.
81. Think Again | 06.18.09
Its important for Generals to respect their civilian bosses.
There have been times when US generals thought they were above civilians and that posed a danger to the government.
Examples:
During depression, general was given green light by the tycoons to take over government. General was honest and revealed the plot to the president and government.
After WWII, a famous general talked about becoming independent of civilian rule and taking over. Was fired in time.
82. Jude | 06.18.09
To put the Senator’s experience with the General in perspective, in litigation practice, it’s common for male judges (and males are still in the majority in these high places) to ask pro se (self-represented) litigants who do not know the correct protocol for the particular turf — in thise case the courtroom — to use the title, “Your Honor,” or ” Judge So and So.”
In generally where I’ve practiced it is not considered acceptable to “Sir” or “Ma’am” a judge. And judges do not hesitate to let it be known. Nobody criticizes “His Honor” for doing so.
The U.S. military is so place-person-and-circumstance bound to protocol — depending on whose turf is being trod, with heightened awareness of hierarchy and differing rules of protocol for different circumstances — it is inconceivable that the General would not have known to apply the protocol of correct Senatorial address when on her and not his turf.
If it were not for the double-plus-whammy — (1) (a) socially prominent women subjected to sex-role differential, then (b) judged harshly for it by mass media and (c) hence made less politically effective for implementing social change, and (2) cultural erasure of who’s doing what to whom when it comes to oppression — then women might have already found a way to end the longest war.
83. IloiloKano | 06.18.09
I guess if he had answered her question with simply “Yes” she wouldn’t have complained; however, “ma’am” was added as a form of respect. She may have worked long and hard, but the purpose of that work should be to “serve” those she supposedly represents. In other words, Public Service is NOT supposed to be all about HER.
I’m sure that as a person she is a real sweetie though.
BTW, the general anserwed the male Senators with “Yes Sir”, and they didn’t complain.
84. Al | 06.18.09
Her response was extremely disrespectful to someone of his rank. She needs to make an apology to him, and it needs to be as public as the insult was.
85. Dave | 06.18.09
#81 Think Again
“Its important for Generals to respect their civilian bosses.
There have been times when US generals thought they were above civilians and that posed a danger to the government.
Examples:
During depression, general was given green light by the tycoons to take over government. General was honest and revealed the plot to the president and government.
After WWII, a famous general talked about becoming independent of civilian rule and taking over. Was fired in time.”
Somehow, this doesn’t at all seem relevant considering that in this case, the Senator and the General were discussing river levies, not a government takeover nor a bid for power. Furthermore, regardless of whether she was in the right or in the wrong (though it seems pretty clear to me), the way she handled the situation through public humiliation of the general plus her own self-aggrandizement was completely out of line and utterly lacking in tact, humility, or respect. I am ashamed that she represents my state.
86. JeanV | 06.18.09
Women in California are (in general) sensitive about the term “ma’am”.
I’m from the South. After I moved to Southern California, when I said, “Yes ma’am” to women in California, they often took offense.
It’s a cultural difference, not a “high horse”. Where I was raised, “ma’am” is a sign of respect. My interpretation of the California response is, “Hey, why are you patronizing me by calling me ma’am? Cut it out.”
Neither norm is “correct”. They’re just different. A little understanding goes a long ways (on both sides of the question) in our huge country of hundreds of millions. Each region is a little different in character, mores, norms and flavor.
87. Leonard | 06.18.09
In the military, “Ma’am” (and Sir) are titles used in high respect. As enlisted, I wouldn’t usually address an officer by their rank. So to me, “Ma’am” is held higher esteemed than “Senator”. So, in retrospect, I have no problem calling her “Senator”.
88. GUEST | 06.18.09
Barbara BOXER is a JOKE - total corrupt full of herself traitorous criminal
as are virtually all democrats and almost all republicans
equal opportunity scorn
89. Bradley USA RET | 06.18.09
Regardless what your personal opinion of the person who is a senator, its the position that commands respect. The General knows this and he goofed up. I don’t think the senator was that harsh, try addressing a General incorrectly, that is if your suppose to know… and I am sure he is.
This is a big deal over nothing, how about covering why an Inspector General was fired illegally by obama.
90. Andrew | 06.18.09
To address a party as “sir” or “m’am” is to respect the person. To address the other party as “Senator” is to respect the office.
Perhaps Sen.Boxer thinks that the General should respect her seat more than her.
91. John | 06.18.09
Recall though when former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was testifying before Senator Boxer two years ago. That was when Boxer dressed Rice down for having the nerve to be a childless woman who has the power to make decisions.
92. Seattle Thom | 06.18.09
Senator Boxer needs to step back and take a reality check. She should be spit-shining General Walsh’s shoes for his dedication and committment to our country, and then get in the kitchen and make him a meatloaf with potatoes and gravy, for crying out loud. There’s no excuse for that arrogance.
93. Edward | 06.18.09
First of Barbara Boxer is a “Joke” why because she elected be a bunch “corny” liberals…with one thing in mind screw anybody who get’s in the of my agenda. And she from my town LOL…………?
94. Jane terrance | 06.18.09
Some sounding bitchy
The general followed the military protocol.
He should have responded by asking her to address him as general, which he worked hard to earn it.
95. Simon | 06.18.09
In reply to #75 “Riptide:”
The principal sections of the pamphlet deal with etiquette of military personnel in social settings. The section that contains table 6-1 describes the protocol for addressing government officials in conversation, and is drawn from the published Protocols used by the Army, appropriate to all situations– including in the more formal environment of a Congressional hearing,
96. larry | 06.18.09
Gee, reading the posts of Andrew’s fans here, you would think that 90% of the people of California can’t wait to vote Barbara Boxer out of office. Well, why can’t the Republicans come up with a sacrificial lamb to run against her?Remember, her last election she got more votes than any other candidate in US history, with the exception of Presidential candidates.
98. Steve | 06.18.09
She was egotistically rude to the general, and she did it because she wants to show how powerful she is. Maam is more respect than she deserves. We the people should get rid of most of these pomp erogant nincompoop’s oop’s Senators.
101. typical hack | 06.19.09
Please please please please wake up people - this is the person that you need to vote out of office - please do it
102. Jon Potter | 06.19.09
The General is/was correct, You address people- senior officers/persons as sir or mam. Yes mam and no mam are very respectful terms. This Boxer womem is very scary to me.
I was raised to say mam and sir. Since when is Senator a term that is more respectful then sir or mam?
This women needs to spend some time in charm school. Perhaps, she could learn to say fantastic as oppsed to bull
103. William | 06.19.09
Wow I love to see all these blogs that feel that this lady not a women or senator but person deserves to be out of office. Lord help us all, where are the militia! Where are the people who helped with the tea parties…we need help and we need them, Dakota’s, Idaho, Iowa, Oregon, Washington, come on help us fight these people.
104. Chris Romero | 06.19.09
Just goes to show how little the Senator know about the military. Of course she professes to know just as little about other government branch operations and protocols. Especially when something goes wrong.
His address was appropriate. Her request, through appropriate, shows just how petty S. Boxer is. Just like many other Kali politicians she concentrates on the small stuff at the expense of the big stuff. She should just get stuffed.
105. Californian voter | 06.19.09
Boxer should apologize to the general. She embarrasses us Californians with her enlarged ego. She ‘ll never get my vote.
106. Bob Bennett | 06.19.09
Senator(?) Boxer is the reason I left California. Having her order the FBI to investigate me for the Oklahoma City bombing, because I tried to get her to slightly alter her position on gun control was completely uncalled for. Even the FBI agent was upset with her actions by the time he left. Apparently she believes the only reason the people exist is to kiss her bottom.
107. Greg | 06.19.09
Doctor or General is a hard title to earn. Demanding respect, Senator now a days dosen’t carry the same weight as Doctor or General. Simply being elected senator is not the same, When Boxer sais she worked hard to earn her title it was nothing compared to Doctor or Generalhad to go through to get there title. Unless she is including how hard she lied her way in office skued the truth or is working so hard to convience every one how much smarter she is to a General or every one else. When history writes about Boxer in the end it will state “Barbra Boxer senator from California, Tried so hard for respect she so falsely deserived. Should have settled for M’am”
108. ReadingThePamphlet | 06.19.09
The portion of the Army protocol pamphlet referred to in the post above actually discusses how to address titles on envelopes and formal correspondence. It specifically notes that, even in the case of the President of the United States, in prolonged conversation it is appropriate to address him as “Sir.” If it’s appropriate for the President, it must be appropriate for a Senator. Justices of the Supreme Court are often addressed during oral argument as (Chief) Justice Your Honor, or Sir/Ma’am.
Regardless of its official propriety, the request says more about the person asking than it does about the person being asked. It is an enormous display of ego.
109. Matt Clark | 06.19.09
The United States only has 50 Senators at one time. It is a very high political seat. As such, the persons elected to these seats, especially those from the most politically and economically powerful state, deserve the title.
Also, I am sure that the Senator felt the General may have been talking down to her by calling her “ma’am.”
I am conservative all around and did not vote for her, but feel that this was an appropriate comment from Senator Boxer.
110. WBT | 06.19.09
From: 81. Think Again
its important for Generals to respect their civilian bosses.
There have been times when US generals thought they were above civilians and that posed a danger to the government.
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Your name is aptly put. You should think again. The military is under civilian control but the military chain of command is as follows:
The military member to his/her superior
The military service branch to the service secretary (i.e. Secretary of the Army, Navy and Air Force)
The service secretary to the Secretary of Defense
The Secretary of Defense to the President of the United States
No where is Congress, the DMV or any other civilian government agency involved. Gen Walsh does not take orders from Barbara Boxer or anyone else in Congress. He does have to pay due respect and Sir or Ma’am will suffice.
To 40. Simon: look up military customs and courtesies not the Army guide on how to throw a dinner party lol.
Barbara Boxer was way out of line. Gen Walsh addressed male senators as “sir” and, at least from the video, she did not address him as general but as “you.”
Notice I don’t address her by senator but address Gen Walsh by his rank. Respect is earned. No talking head in Washington is worthy of that right now.
111. robert lee | 06.19.09
What an arrogant person—She should apologize to the General immediately. Isn’t she being investigated for something???
112. DaveS | 06.19.09
Politicians are elected to SERVE the citizens. We are their superiors. They work for us. People like B. Boxer do not understand that. Politicians with egotical attiudes like Boxer’s should be fired.
113. Jason | 06.19.09
Anyone defending Boxer on this board is a clown who seriously knows nothing of how the world works…Would a egomaniac like Frank demand he be called Senator instead of Sir? Exactly idiot, he wouldn’t. Seriously… ..you are ruining America w/ your hyper sensitivities
114. Lou | 06.19.09
The amazing thing in all this is, from the General’s point-of-view, the term “ma’am” probably carried more weight and respect than “Senator.” He was actually honoring her by addressing her as a superior, and she demanded a title of less respect for the sake of androgyny. Just because a title has a masculine and feminine form, and therefore acknowledges that there is a difference between men and women, it is not automatically demeaning to women. From the soldier’s point-of-view, being referred to as ma’am is no less respectful to a woman as being referred to as sir to a man, which I’m sure is how he addressed the male senators.
115. glhdesigns | 06.19.09
She should be addressed as “Senator”. That being said, all she needed to say was just that. Don’t try and give the General a lecture about how important you are. Arrogance beyond belief.
116. Donnie | 06.19.09
This is the kind of arrogance we can expect from democrats, California, elected officials and Obama administration. Stupidity at it’s finest.
117. PSP | 06.19.09
Southerners dominate the military. Southerners (and it seems the military) use Maam, and kids are taught to use it to be polite. What they might not understand is that lots of women outside the south consider it extremely rude. I’ve seen the “huh” looks on southerner’s faces when informed of that fact by an insulted women.
118. DMA | 06.19.09
The people of California should be embarassed by this idiot of a ’senator’. Each time I see her in action she makes a bigger fool of herself and this country. It makes you wonder what she actually believes in - this country or her own self interests. Either way, she is a poor excuse for a ’senator’, ‘woman’ and ‘citizen’…go home you moron.
Kudos to the General for rising above this slight. He is a hero and deserves respect. To not get it from ‘her’ should be not big deal to him !
119. Steve | 06.19.09
Andre,
If you were ever a Military man (which obviously you are not) you would know what it takes to earn General status. The fact that this stupid lady has the guts to say this to such high rank is ridiculous….what is American coming to?
120. Merfzero | 06.19.09
Simon, obviuosly you think being called in to Congress is a party, that is why you quote from: A Guide to Protocol and Etiquette for Official Entertainment.
121. fred1962 | 06.19.09
jason - i think technically barney frank can be considered a “ma’am”. ya know?
122. goarmy | 06.19.09
I wanna be surprised but yet Im not. She is just…..wow. We should put more light on how the General handled himself. He would have been justified in making a comment back to her for her lame request. He could have asked to be called General in reply. But he didnt. He showed why he is a General. He showed his class, which is more than she can say. He was completely calm, and didnt let it phase him. To become a General you have to go through and put up with a lot more hardships than what she said. To get to be a General, you literally have to give your whole life to the Army. To get her position….cant really say the same.
123. Mark | 06.19.09
Senator Boxer can demand to be referred to as “Senator” but she has to earn respect. I think her scolding General Walsh was disrespectful and she apparently must have disdain for the military and officers of flag rank. She doesn’t get any respect from me!
124. gary | 06.19.09
boxer is as bad as polosi , how dare this over paid ignorant senator.. i use that phase lightly, talk to a general like that she is a disgrace! impeach her and all the other wack jobs!in our gov’t
125. Martha | 06.19.09
She asked to be called by her proper title, how dare she?
General Walsh should have been addressing everyone by their correct titles just as they addressed him. He knows the protocol he’s not 5.
How awful that she ask to be shown the respect her job entitles her to.
126. Jess | 06.19.09
“Respect is something that must be earned, and Boxer has done nothing to earn her title except dupe a few weak minded Californians to vote for her,’ writes Bryan McAffee”
So I assume none of you who claim you must earn respect have a problem with abortion? It’s not like those fetuses have done anything to earn *my* respect. What is so wrong with just giving everyone respect as fellow human beings?
127. Bill | 06.19.09
Military protocol is that anyone who outranks you is a “sir” or “ma’am” depending upon gender. Those of you who criticize the general are ignorant and should enlist for a few years so you can be informed members of the society that protects your freedom to make stupid blog comments. Especially Elly #37: where’d that attitude and pseudo-knowledge come from?
128. Janet | 06.19.09
How could anyone in these United States of America demean a Brigadier General of a branch of our military how MS.BARBARA BOXER did General Michael Walsh. Has she ever been on a battlefield with soldiers fighting for this country and every other country on earth? Did she see them die, wounded and their friends carrying them off the battlefield. She should have bowed to him and thanked him for his contribution. I believe every congressman and every senator should be voted out of office this next election and let us try to get our Republic back we are not a democracy we are a REPUBLIC. As someone has said if we don’t learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it. So take a lesson from the great Roman empire and compare what is happening to us. Read a little American History, read the King James Version of the Bible. Because whether you believe it or not there is a judgment day coming. We will give an account.
130. richard potter | 06.19.09
Military protocol’s should be updated to avoid any disrespect and to reinforce the authority of representatives of hundreds of thousands of voters in a democracy.
131. Toby | 06.19.09
Gee janet. Nothing says a defense of right-wing judgement day like promoting a bible translation edited by a gay monarch. Good job with that.
132. Tony S. | 06.19.09
Well, Old lady Pelosi has been grabbing the headlines lately in CA, so Boxer needs her time in the public eye.
133. Pennelope Pennebaker | 06.19.09
Ever wonder what Peggy Hill might write like if she were to write for an online publication? Well, wonder no more she would be just like Jimmy Orr. Take a bow Jimmeh, Udaman Jim. Way2go O!!!
135. Kendle | 06.19.09
I am a nine year Army Vet. It was drumed into me (brain washed) to say “YES SIR & MA”AM.” I am offended that this elected official felt she needed to repormande our General in front of the whole world. She needs to be reminded that she is a servent of the American people and not a CZAR! I am calling her office and I will NOT be as respectful as General Walsh, and reveal my displesure at her arrogance.
136. Jim A. | 06.19.09
Just when you think my elected officials can’t make me more embrassed to be a Californian….I hear this.
137. Jim A | 06.19.09
In response to Elly, I’m a native Californian and my state is a MESS. It has been Boxer and all the little tools that have driven us there. We are bankrupt and it’s all been on her watch.
139. K | 06.19.09
I grew up in the north where no one calls people sir or ma’am. I moved to an area near DC a few years ago that has a large military population. I am called ma’am all of the time by military personel. It is obvious it’s a sign of respect, and I find it very refreshing in this day in age. Ms. Boxer, as a US Senator, should know cultures in the US vary and should be respectful of that. She’s never come in contact with a member of the military during her tenure?
Even if she is not comfortable with or knowledgeable of military culture, it is very disrespectful to chastise another adult in public. If it bothered her so much, she could have addressed it in private like most mature adults would have done.
140. See McSee | 06.19.09
My question is: How did/does the General address male senators? If he calls male senators by their title, Senator, then he should do the same for Senator Boxer.
What’s with the demand that respect (and therefore the use of her title) be “Earned?” She’s a Senator, she was elected, that’s all the earning she needs to do to be called Senator. Perhaps she could have been a little more politic in bringing it to the General’s attention. The General is not the only person in public service with a title.
As for those complaining that Americans shouldn’t be using titles, when was the last time you called your dentist “Mr?” Your pastor “Mr.?” Your professor “Mr.?” Next thing you know, the General will be calling women Senators “sweetie.” LOL
141. Christina | 06.19.09
Nothing about her request or her tone was disrespectful to the general. She asked nicely, and even gave a genuine reason. She has earned the title. She has not denied the general his title. Nothing about her response was confusing. It was very common sense.
What’s not common sense is the mockery of the senator for making that correction. She would never have had to make the correction in the first place if her title wasn’t skipped over. The only reason this seems unusual to men is because male senators have never had a reason to correct someone about their title for the simple reason that everyone remembers to address them by it.
142. See McSee | 06.19.09
P.S. And the comments, “In the military they [do this]…” Senator Boxer is not in the military. She was conducting the proceedings, not the General. Hence, he was in her milieu, she was not in his.
143. Dale | 06.19.09
What a sign of pure pettiness. Respect is something you earn and can’t demand it because a person says so. Ms. Boxer has earned no ones respect,and being petty demonstrates that fact.
What a joke.
145. peter g | 06.19.09
She worked so hard to get that title.
That’s a disappointment.
I was hoping she was working so hard for us.
146. foobear | 06.19.09
Since Ms. Boxer is so insistent on proper titles and everything, let’s consider the origin of the word “Senator” and call her by the appropriate Latin appellation:
Senatrix Boxer.
147. bcoblentz | 06.19.09
Most of the people who have commented so far are utter morons, but they’re still right about Boxer being out of line. Even broken clocks are right twice a day. She needs to get over herself.
148. Veteran | 06.19.09
As a formerly commissioned USAF officer (I resigned my commission to permit myself to publicly oppose the foreign policies of a previous president), I side with Senator Boxer in this situation. One of the preceding comments might have already covered this (I didn’t take the time to read all of them) but there is significant relevant precedence in the military regarding the use of such titles. While almost all officers are addressed as Sir or Ma’am when spoken to, all flag grade officers (all generals & admirals) are addressed by the generic for their rank & in certain circumstances, in the third person. This means “yes, Sir” & “would you like” translate to “yes, General” & “would the General like” when addressing these, the senior ranking members of our military. Regardless if a flag grade officer is an individual worthy of such respect, their office as such is always considered worthy. In the same vein, a US Senator should be addressed as “Senator” out of respect for the office. Brigadier General Walsh should have known better because he most certainly would have been briefed on protocol before ever stepping into a Senate hearing room. Military officers don’t just show up unprepared for such events as if it were a man-on-the-street interview. I did notice a preceding comment by Kendle which indicated that (I assume) he was a 9-year Army veteran & that he planned to register his disrespect for Senator Boxer by calling her office. I doubt that he was a commissioned officer or he would have known of this protocol. By the way, just to dispel what I’d be willing to wager is a belief by you the reader of this comment that our 43rd president was the one with whom I disagreed strongly enough to drive me to resign my commission, he was not. I left the military long before he arrived on the scene so I’ll leave you to guess which Oval Office occupant was the Commander in Chief I could no longer obey.
149. Jacob | 06.19.09
We shouldn’t even bother anymore, all of politics is a joke. Calling these people “childish” would be an insult to children. We have better things to do in life than expend the mental energy to worry about the stupidity of political partisans.
150. mullet | 06.20.09
Senator Boxer is a great American.The Military must never forget for one second.That they are subservient to the democratically elected officials of the Ameican people.This alone is what makes the USA a great country.
151. SFC K | 06.20.09
As has been noted in other places, when a member of the military refers to a senior officer by their rank rather than the title ‘Sir’ or ‘Ma’am’ it is the lowest form of respect that can be offered. In our culture it is understood that if a NCO or junior officer does not say sir or ma’am it borders on disrespect so by insisting that this warrior refer to her as senator she was asking for the lowest form of respect a member of the military could offer her.
152. lauren | 06.20.09
The fact of the matter is that the general would never have addressed a male senator as “sir.” He would be addressed as senator. Whether or not the General’s intention was to denigrate the Senator, or whether or not the way she responded was appropriate, she deserved to be called by the title she is correct in saying she has earned. Sexism comes in many forms.
153. Scott | 06.20.09
I have watched ESPN on many occassions seeing generals respond to senators and congressmen as Sir and Ma’am. On these prior occassions I don’t recall elected officials asking the generals to refer to them by their elected office. Indeed, in comparison to non military people providing testimony, I have been struck by the highly respectful tone afforded civilian leaders by members of the military.
In contrast I have written Senator Boxer on a number of occassions from my California home about serious issues which involve her sworn duty to protect the Constitution. Like Bush’s violation of the Constitution’s seperation of powers with his use of signing statements. Thus far she has not seen fit to respond to my inquiries one way or the other. Perhaps she is too busy earning her title to respond to my concerns.
154. Tom | 06.20.09
I believe that this article is neither worthy of my respect, nor, my time.
The comments from the mindless sheeple are to be expected. The vulgar have no respect for etiquette. As Senator Boxer would have been remiss in addressing the General by the term, “Mister”, the General was remiss in failing to address the Senator by her elected TITLE.
If Senator Boxer was a member of the Military then the General’s address, maam, would have been proper. But Senator Boxer is a member of the Senate…not the Military.
It is too bad that the “conservative” does not enjoy that fact…In fact, although not germane to the issue, I am a conservative. While I may not agree with some of Senator Boxer’s policies I will still render her due respect. That is a conservative ideal. That is proper and just. I am ashamed of the partisan attacks by those whom identify themselves as “conservatives” because they haven’t the conservative ideal of personal responsibility for their crude and unrefined behavior. They behave as liberal and outside of the ideal.
As the General was in the Senator’s domain then he is obliged to conduct himself within the framework of that domain. The old adage, “When in Rome then do as the Romans do”, applies.
Yet the vulgar haven’t any idea of proper etiquette and protocol. I do not believe that the sheeple have the capability of the radical understanding of the General’s faux pas. So I am wasting my precious time in the composition of this response.
155. Matski2049 | 06.20.09
She needs to get over herself. I would like to see her being a bit more concerned over her job than her title.
Additionally, he was being polite and respectful by calling her “ma’am”. Had she shown more respect and referred to him as sir instead of “you”, I am sure he would have no problem with it. Notice that he didn’t stop her mid sentence to throw a tantrum about not being referred to as “General”.
156. J.C. Villar | 06.20.09
What a despicable woman! It is standard custom in the military to address a superior as “Sir” or “Ma’am”, but of course she and trash like her wouldn’t know this having devoted most of their useless lives to denigrating our armed forces. A public apology is plainly indicated here.
157. JM | 06.20.09
Ms. Boxer,
Very few Americans respect you as a senator or as an American and WILL NOT give you the respect of calling you “Senator Boxer”. And where do you come off demanding that from a VERY respected general of the U.S. military, when you don’t even give him the respect of calling him by his title? At least he gave you the respect using military protocol by calling you “Maam”, just as he would any female General or other fellow military officer!
SHAME ON YOU BOXER for your disgusting attitude!!
158. JM | 06.20.09
Ms. Boxer,
“Ma’am” is the term used synonymously with “Your Majesty” when addressing a Queen. Are you as ARROGANT as you come off every time you open your mouth?
159. Robert R Woodall | 06.20.09
SHe needs her meds increased. She is one of the people Clifornia has been harmed. Not enough for me to include a very long list of the rest. I am finally sorry for my distant relatives that are there.
160. JM | 06.20.09
The U.S. Constitution does not allow our elected respresentatives to be awarded or to demand use of titles. Instead of worrying about this silly egotistical elected representative to the Senate, we should all be demanding term limits for Congress and not allow career politicians to exist!
161. RealityBites | 06.20.09
He should call her senator, It’s most recent definition being a thieving lying useless piece of retarded garbage. she is most certainly all of the above, it’s a serious insult to “ma’am”’s everywhere.
Boxer should be a good little dog and go chase her tail in the corner.
162. Agasht visitor | 06.20.09
Boxer should resign. Having her speak such things is a total disgrace.
163. Jack | 06.20.09
People with *real* authority have no need to rub it in other people’s faces. It’s only petty people with petty power who do. I think all of us have seen examples of this in our own lives - and easily see Boxer for the weakling she feels herself to be.
164. Elly | 06.20.09
Congresshas an 18% approcval rating and an 80% re election rate….who are the real fools?
165. Barbara | 06.21.09
Three chears for Senator Boxer! You “guys” just don’t get it! This is my first blog, also the first - and maybe the last time I’ll applaud the Senator for her public stand on an issue! Not withstanding military protocol, regional custom or even intent - “Ma’am” is in effect the ULTIMATE PUT-DOWN! It should go the way of other discriminatory terms which are offensive or demeaning to the persons so addressed. No matter what his status or how courteous his intention, for a man or boy to address a woman as “Ma’am” belittles her. In the interest of civil rights and respectful discourse we need to find a different form of address. There is no excuse for it’s use when an alternative is available, so the General’s repetition of the pejorative after being corrected was unexcusable.
166. ACanady | 06.22.09
Brigadier General Michael Walsh Sir, Ms. Boxer’s arrogant remarks to you Sir are unacceptable. General Walsh Sir you eanred your title and it was not by kissing every person that came along that you were trying to suck up to for votes. Ms. Boxer is so self centered that the title of Senator was eating away at her during these hearings. She does not deserves the respect of the public as a Senator. My mother, grandmother and great grandmother were all answered using ma’am with the upmost respect. How dare Ms. Boxer are anyone else imply that using the term ma’am is disrespectful or demeaning in anyway. Ms. Boxer you are a sniveling patheic small person with no self respect. Grow Up lady!!!
167. Ron Kitterman | 06.22.09
Did you ever see the movie ” A few Good Men” with Jack Nicholson and Tom Cruise? He at least gave the choice, Colonel Jessup” I would appreciate it if you would address me as either Colonel or Sir, I believe, I’ve earned it” and then directs Kaffie to refer to him as either Colonel or Sir… We love you Barbara
169. Bob Kutz | 06.23.09
As a former Californian, I beg of you who remain; Can you people please either take control of your politics and get rid of these mental midget leaders you continually elect or, failing that, move out as I did.
Eventually, if all of the hard working tax paying citizens leave, those who remain will be forced to fend for themselves. After the carnage, those that remian will no longer allow leaches and free loaders to eat off their plate. That will lead to a conservative revolution the likes of which this country has not seen in 233 years.
170. Jamie Vee | 06.23.09
Just a note from a Californian. I am so thankful for Senator Boxer representing our state. I know it really gets the right wingnuts’ knickers in a twist but too bad. Yes, she is a senator and deserves to be addressed as such. Also, after all the blathering in these responses, I listened to the clip again. I did not hear anything remotely like the descriptions I’ve just read. I guess it’s the same old, same old. Give a right winger a talking point and they latch onto it like a dog on a bone. Grow up!
P. S. On that conservative revolution, hold your breath. Please.
171. annonymouse | 06.25.09
Quote: “especially those from the most politically and economically powerful state, deserve the title”.
You must be kidding. A bunch of liberal nitwits elected from California and a deficit of 42 BILLION dollars.
Texas has a surplus of 14 billion dollars and created over 80% of the new jobs in the nation during 2008. Yeah, right, California is the “most politically and economically powerful state”.
What a laugh!
172. gary | 06.27.09
Ms Boxer,
Where do you get the right to humiliate a “general” of the Army, and do it in front of his fellow Americans and veterans? He has you out ranked in years of service to his country, education and intelligence. Not to mention his manors. I do believe he would be more highly regarded as to his value to America than a politician if we were to take a vote. YOU owe him, the military and Americans an apology.
Naughty, Naughty, Ms Boxer
173. Ellen | 06.28.09
I can’t beleive you’re making such a huge deal about this when there are so many interesting things to discuss.
Nobody says ma’am anymore except in the south and in the military and it comes off rude. Do you like being called ma’am? Senator Boxer is not in the military and correct etiquette dictates she be addressed as Senator Boxer. How hard is that?
174. annonymouse | 07.01.09
Ellen, “except in the south and the military”. That’s millions of people!
“Do you like being called Ma’am?” You had better call a woman ma’am where I come from or “it comes off rude” as you say. Depends on where you are from, and Senator Boxer is the last on I’d call Senator. Now, don’t ask what I would call her. I’m too polite.
175. Yo Daddy | 07.25.09
“What we have here is a failure to communicate.” Actually, what we have here is the result of having professional politicians running Congress. A pox (or is that Poxer … “Senator” Poxer to you, General) on both houses of Congress. We, the American people are not being served by our elected officials; they are too busy lining their own pockets (Did you ever wonder why every Senator who has served more than two terms is a multi-millionaire? Hmm?). What we need to do is impose term limits on Congress of no more than two terms. If two terms is good enough for President of the United States, it is good enough for Congress. Then, we need to Constitutionally limit legislative sessions to NO MORE THAN FOUR MONTHS per year. This will ensure that each and every Congressman and Senator must have a real job. If we can do this, we can regain control of our country. Otherwise, we’re headed to the same place as the former Soviet Union … extinction.
176. birdy | 08.24.09
Military personnel are required to use Sir and Maam until a point where the person they are addressing requests another title that is deemed appropriate. Clinton at least had the class not to undermine her title by demanding being called by it. To do so to someone ranked like the Brigadeir was arrogant and uncalled for. Especially when she could have went to him later as person to person and politely spoken with him. My nest address to this witch would be something that rhymes with witch. Our military has been thru it the last several years. I am shocked men and women still care to serve and examples of why they would choose not to is exactly what Boxer is- a perfect example of disrespectful folks who find our military less than worthy of our support and appreciation.
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1. Joyce | 06.18.09
I think all of congress needs to get off their high horse. If they only knew what the public thinks of them. Senator is a dirty word. They all need to be stripped and called “spolied”.