1. Winter Solstice | 10.03.09

To Brad Knickerbocker, writer of this article:
Please don’t give too much importance to David Brooks, who is a liberal pretending to be a conservative. There are many commentators like Brooks: Andrew Sullivan from the Atlantic, Meghan McCain etc etc. To poison their readers’ minds they state they are conservative and then stand by and legitimize liberal ideas, thus creating the impression that conservatives should accept liberal ideas as the norm. John McCain, in bed with the Kennedy’s and liberal ideas for decades cost the Republican party the election, because conservatives did not believe that McCain would represent them. True conservatives stand by their principles, because these principles are sound. Sadly, in these days, we need to wait for Obama to do the maximum damage, and then eventually the electorate will wake up. Remember, there was a Jimmy Carter before there was a Ronald Reagan. Liberal ideas, the by-product of people who believe in death, sodomy, drugs and socialism have destroyed whole nations. The electorate needs to see what liberal ideas cause and create, and then they will decide accordingly. The reason the left hates talk radio is because talk radio exposes the repulsive corruption of the left wing and the Obama team and informs the public. From ACORN to the unions, from the insane corruption and injustice of the proposed medical insurance changes to the equally insane waste of the “stimulus” money (which was the American people’s tax money) the left is a corrupt, pretentious, self-serving cesspool of socialism. And that is what talk radio exposes. It’s just the truth.
Will you publish my comments? No, of course not, too much of the truth might hurt people. But the people who say that Palin and Beck are stupid, that, I’m sure you are going to publish, and thusly prove your own bias.

2. Mike | 10.03.09

In case you didn’t notice, McCain, Graham and Schmidt were trounced by an inexperienced anti-American socialist in the last election and fell millions of votes short of GW Bush’s vote totals.

Their Moderate New Majority is a RINO delusion that is guaranteed to keep the Republican voters at home and furious.

The Christian Science Monitor is printing this propaganda as a good Liberal Lackey of the Left and Slobbering ***** for Obama.

GET REAL. CONSERVATIVES OUTNUMBER LIBERALS 2 TO 1 IN THE USA!

3. john | 10.03.09

Oh dear…another rant about the big bad Democrats? ! Gosh, and this person is also telling us the “truth:…ever so grateful for that! and we’re informed that our minds are being poisoned as well. Gee…I wonder what attacks you made or will - on George Bush’s past reign..remember 8 years of it? A war that really isn’t over and was started under fear and misinformation (we Democrats call it lying!) resulting - now - in an economy down the tubes. And hey, remember the great “decider” was going to open up our social security system to private investment? Wow…wouldn’t that have been a blessing? Investing our tax money on Wall street? Imagine! Plus we now have so much illegal cheap labor in our country, and they are all using our hospitals, streets, schools, roads (and prisons) plus Bush and Cheney -never in combat- treated returning vets with such great compassion right? Gee, McCain and the Republicans…they lost the election to Obama..hmm, wonder why? But heck, Sarah Palin is still around keeping us all on our toes with speeches in Hong Kong and a new book! (Is it really a coloring book?) Plus we are all so blessed with your healing, comforting insights that help all Democrats to see our errors. Yes, I’m including those perceptive media giants, Hannity, Limbaugh, Savidge, Beck et al: true Americans,ever watchful to make sure and remind all us doofus Democrats how stupid and inept Obama is and how thoughtful and intellectual you all are. It’s great that you conservatives can point out to stupid folks like me that Obama wasn’t born here, he’s a communist, socialist, facist, and, sigh, he plays basket ball instead of blasting away at little birds with big guns or wolves from helicopters. So glad your principles are “sound”…Bush said the same as I recall, right? And Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove, Gonzalez, Wolfowicz, and Libbey as well? . “The war will be over in weeks rather than months.” They are such great Conservative Republicans leaders then but now i guess the reason they don’t say much is that folks like you and Sarah Palin, Bobby Jindal, Newt Gingrich, Joe wilson…are the leaders…wow…I can see why you are a real conservative! You go Winter! Keep up the great work! Continue your caring efforts to unite both parties into bipartisonship relations so American can have a healthy and harmonious goverment that respects and includes all. Even Democrats!! Thanks!

4. mcmath61 | 10.03.09

In 2008, the Republican Party ceased to be a coalition between the (a) populist, Confederate, and/or evangelical right (”social or religious conservatives”), (b) the fiscal conservatives and tax hawks, (c) the pro-war crowd, (d) suburban upper-middle class professionals, and (e) America’s financiers and corporate executives. The party’s largest single constituent group, its social or religious conservatives, identified intensely with “Main Street” in a new national war with “Wall Street,” and “Wall Street” in turn bailed on the party, taking most of the suburban upper-middle class with them. In 2000 and 2004, most financial and corporate spending on elections heavily favored Republicans, but in 2008, that spending went to Democrats over 3 to 1. It was a self-inflicted wound that the Republicans couldn’t survive.

The truth is that this article is essentially correct, that so long as the Republican Party alienates what had been important elements of its former national coalition, the better to serve the party’s majority group, the Republican Party is going to continue to get shellacked at the polls. It will win in large portions of the South, it will do well in the relatively empty Plains States, but it will lose nationally because it will have forfeited the loyalties of enough of the voters in the East, West, and industrial heartland states of the Midwest to ensure overall defeat.

Your idol, Ronald Reagan, the greatest conservative ever, signed the first bill legalizing abortion in America while he was Governor of California, ran unprecedentedly large budget deficits throughout his eight years as President because he was a “Keynesian” by his own admission, and consulted with astrologers before deciding what time of day to be sworn in as Governor of California (just after midnight) and before making key decisions as President. Your latest champion, George W. Bush, panicked immediately after he saw what letting Lehman Brothers go bankrupt did to stock markets and came up with a $787 billion “rescue plan” for banks that was just like Obama’s current so-called “stimulus” plans. How many of the current Supreme Court members were appointed by supposed conservatives? Six? Yet they can’t find five votes to overturn Roe v. Wade?

And you believe that, because you need to, just like you need to believe fairy stories like Obama is born in Kenya or that Democrats are all Socialists. You conservatives are so loyal to your “team” no matter what that you don’t even notice when your favorite politicians screw you, screw their staffers, or just screw up in general.

The social or religious right has seized control of the GOP, and there is no turning back. The actions of “moderate conservatives” are doomed to fail because the base of their Party has no stomach for moderates of any stripe. After the new “Know-Nothing” GOP has spent as many years wandering in the woods as the Democratic Party did during the Reagan Era (1980 to 2008), maybe it will reach out again to people who aren’t both white and “saved,” but as long as people like you are the voice of modern Republicanism, as long as you think anyone to the right of Glenn Beck is a bit suspicious, you can look forward to well-deserved political frustration.

5. bugjackblue | 10.03.09

The problem with “liberalism” is that it wants to save the world by making it a better place. This is exceedingly difficult when “conservatives,” who believe the world was a better place long long ago and who refuse to consider that change may ever be beneficial, stand in the way. And it is made near impossible when republicans, who want to destroy the world, enlist the conservatives to their banner. So by default the Democrats enlist the liberals, but those liberals are mostly ineffectual because the essence of liberalism is the certitude that one occupies the moral high ground. And that precludes the development of a strategy of annihilation which must be adopted to defeat amoral aggressors like the republicans who can always generate new recruits to their ranks by appealing to the lowest denominator.

In the long run, demographic change tilts the field in favor of a growing disenfranchised underclass, a large percentage of which are non-white and thus ineligible to join the ranks of the republicans, and whose interests are served by change. However the old guard will not go quietly and will threaten to unleash an apocalypse of mutually assured social/political destruction if necessary to hold onto their corner of the cave. And the moralist liberals, fearing collateral damage to their fellow man, will give into the blackmail every time. Wimps.

By the way, David Brooks is most certainly not a “liberal.” In fact, the NY Times and the Wash Post are not “liberal” either. Nor is any major “news” or entertainment network. MSNBC runs “liberal” commentators because they are selling advertising time in an otherwise totally-unserved niche. All the other networks/media (and indeed even the Democratic party) are selling conservatism in one form or another, from the smooth corporatism of the Obama regime to the naked raving propaganda of Fox.

Moreover, the communists and socialists and pinko lefty hippie lesbians don’t want the money under your mattress or your daughter’s hand in marriage. Sorry to disappoint but you’re just not important enough to them (or anyone else, for that matter.)

6. A Real Conservatice | 10.03.09

To Brad Knickerbocker, writer of this article:
Please don’t take Winter Solstice, first responder to this article, at all seriously. He is a neo-conservative pretending to be a conservative. There are many neo-conservatives like Glenn Beck, who is most likely a liberal pretending to be a conservative, trying to poison the minds of us traditional conservatives by getting middle America to support politics that are clearly inimical to their own, and America’s, best interests i.e. supporting legislation written by Wall Street corporations. True conservatives stand by their principles, such as attempting to bring an end to a war, or two, that is fiscally irresponsible to taxpayers. Neo-conservative principles, the by-product of those who believe in death, destruction, greed, and Eurocentricism, have destroyed entire nations and cultures in the name of God. The reason that the neo-right love talk radio is because it reinforces leftist stereotypes of conservatives as homophobic, racist, stubborn, and loony. the neo-cons are a corrupt, pretentious, self-serving cesspool of selective socialism. And that is what talk radio exposes. It’s just the truth.
Will you publish my comments? Too much of the truth might hurt people. But the people who say that Palin and Beck are intelligent, educated, or even competent, are even further fracturing the party that I have supported for over 30 years.

7. damien | 10.03.09

Winter Solstice: “Liberal ideas, the by-product of people who believe in death, sodomy, drugs and socialism have destroyed whole nations.”

I would not consider myself a liberal and even I can see that your statement is quite an exaggeration. It’s unfortunate that the base that unleashes such radical statements is the most vocal of the conservative movement. To be more frank: Fringe Right statements like yours make conservatives look bad. Very very bad. And conservatism will not be accessible to the majority until it can shake its radical reputation.

Yes, a makeover is precisely what the party needs. The Beck, Palin, Limbaugh and O’Reilly crowd (while they make millions and still claim to be the “common man/woman”) will not aid in that makeover one bit.

8. 001002003004005006007008009 | 10.03.09

Obama sold the country a puffed up bill of goods to get elected

now we have to see what is going to happen when people start to realize he is not going to be able to deliver

as the Obama economic initiatives start to fail, one after the other …. the question will be how much destruction will the liberals wreak in the tantrum / destructive phase that is sure to follow

the basic problem they have is that their basic economic philosophy, socialism, only works in countries that are very very wealthy on a per capita basis - such as Saudi Arabia and Norway, and even then not too well

they have about as much chance of making socialism work in America as the chance of finding the man in the moon - the “free money for everyone” concept is not going to fly

the so-called “liberals” have a tendency in those situations to revert to fascism - and we’re starting to see little snippets of that

we’ll just have to see if they sober up and let the market work, or will they go into tantrum mode and embrace some kind of fascism / Marxism

if you believe in free enterprise and in the American way of life, don’t sit passively when the socialists start steamrollering through your community, tearing down traditional family values along the way

stand up and support free enterprise and the American way of life

hopefully it will survive the Obama / Clinton administration

the question why America voted in a team of dyed-in-the wool socialists, that may turn out to be one of the great questions in American history

let’s hope it does not turn into an economic tragedy

9. Silas | 10.04.09

Wow, 001002003004005006007008009 you are completely deluded. Do you just make this stuff up as you go along? When has a socialistic country ever been converted to a fascist one by the socialists? This is absurd. They are on the very opposites of the political spectrum. That is why Hitler and Stalin hated each other so much. They were opposites. Please, please don’t tell me that the Nazi Party were known as “National Socialists” and that means that the Nazis were socialists. It really tests my faith in humanity when some people insist on being so willfully stupid. Everyone on the planet has known that for 60 years and in that time no one has stepped forward to suggest that the Nazis were anything but Fascists until recently. That is because the truth was self evident. Even Adolf Hitler himself has been documented commenting that the “socialist” in the Nazi Party is a misnomer. He allied with Mussulini, the first Fascist and he helped the Nationalist Franco, another Fascist, gain power in Spain. The USSR, the real socialists, supported the opposition Republicans.

Furthermore, the pinnacle of this nation has been demonstrably led by liberal Democrats. This is undeniable. Democrats led the US to victory in two world wars while Republicans opposed our entry into those wars both times. In fact, your hero George W. Bush’s grand daddy was charged under the Trading with the Enemies Act in 1942 for aiding the enemy in a time of war. I wonder how many of our servicement lost their lives because of that Republican. Anyway, after World War II ended, the middle class expanded for the first and only time in world history. The middle class expansion continued until the Reagan Revoluion in 1980 at which point it began to decline. This is irrefuteable. You would have to send the entire poputlation of the country to re education camps and kill off all the people who were there before you could revise history that much. No one is falling for your revisionist history. You are a liar and everyone knows it.

10. JerryO | 10.04.09

What planet do you live on Knickerbocker? Did you write this 6 months ago??? The Conservatives know exactly where they are headed. They’re headed for a landslide victory in 2010! The majority of Americans got a wake-up call; Socialism and it terrified them. It seems the American public is waking up to the fact that Socialists, Fascists, Communists, Marxists and Leninists are running the Liberal party. They’re also figuring out that the MSM is in the DNC pocket and defecting “Progressively” (what irony)more toward the Conservatives. Another irony is that it is actually Conservatives who are progressive and the Liberals who are actually stagnant. This article is nothing more than wishful thinking.

11. ACTIVIST | 10.04.09

I get so tired of the liberal deception. #1) Obama did not get the majority of America to vote for him. The MAJORITY of Americans stayed home. He got the majority of the VOTES. There is 306 million total population. There were 129.3 million votes. Roughly 40% of the poplulace even bothered to vote. How he you figuer it, that is not 50% of the country. #2) McCain was not picked by the GOP, he was picked by the cross over votes. He was their moderate vote. A more moderate GOP candidate has never been proposed. #3) Bush did not LIE. He presented the evidence that was given him by the Dem. appointed head of the CIA. There were many other countries of the world that had the same intel. But Bush is a liar. There were terrorist training camps in Iraq. Get over it. #4) Bush was the duly elected President, twice. How the libs keep saying that the last 8 years was a disaster, when he was elected by the majority of voters in 04. But NOW, the libs want us to honor BHO as the duly elected POTUS, but the showed nothing but contempt and DISRESPECT for GWB for 8 years. #5) It is NOT BHO’s skin color, it IS his policies. #6) BHO is not “afro american”. He is an AMERICAN who happens to have a WHITE Mother, and a BLACK Father. Some how by stating the truth, will not make me a “racist”. He IS a SOCIALIST. He wants the government to control EVERYTHING in order to make life BETTER for the population.

12. A Former Republican | 10.04.09

@001002003004005006007008009:

You remind me a lot of the people in this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUPMjC9mq5Y

I love the part with the people at these tea parties bring opposed to people being appointed to czar positions but think that czar is an actual title (6:23). They think that they’re being granted land and little kingdoms on American soil. When the reporter asks them if they were aware Reagan appointed the first position ever called a czar the one guy says he needs to do some more research. Classic. Let’s go out and protest but have no clue what we’re protesting about!!! Go America!

Or the guys like you who claims that Socialism, Fascism, and Communism are all the same thing (5:58). Except - as the interviewer points out - if you know what those words mean.

I have been and will likely will always be a fiscal conservative but people like yourself who are so misinformed made me take “Republican” off my voter registration.

13. Rick | 10.04.09

John,

Much of what Solstice said is facts so you might want to educate yourself. Its true Bush failed in many areas of his Presidency and you bring up a good one with illegal aliens. Fast forward to 2009 were we have Obama wanting to give amnesty and health care to illegals. Obama is surrounded by racists, race-baiters and other radicals. Obama has repeatedly lied about his agenda (no taxes, less government, the old way of doing things in Washington are over). Obama wants a national force (national police). Have you thought that one out? The media should have been all over that idea as the foolishness it is. Obama pointed out the huge amount of our budget that goes to the military yet he proposes we build a national force.

Obama was elected because the perfect storm existed for it to happen. McCain was a weak candidate, the media sided with Obama, the housing bubble popped, wall street corruption surfaced, way too many Americans were living beyond their means, Bush made some bad choices, Americans were watching their wealth deteriorate. All this fear, frustration, lack of a real media, naive voters, those voting for racial reasons and Obama catering to the illegal aliens (and other Hispanics) all created this perfect storm. Some of us new or were fairly certain Obama was a socialist and unqualified person for the White House so we didn’t vote for him. We didn’t let our emotions lead us to voting for him. The problem was all that was left was McCain.

Sadly, we have come to a point were name calling has gone to a point where it loses its effectiveness. There is nothing wrong with a person fitting the classic definition of liberal. The problem today is that is confused with progressive liberalism (media, Pelosi, Reid, Hollywood etc.). I know those falling under the classic liberal definition think they are being attacked and I believe that is a huge problem because those folks will not listen to facts because it comes from conservatives who use the word liberal when, in fact, they should use progressive liberal.

14. Paul | 10.04.09

To Silas,
Interesting take on history. I suggest you read “Liberal Fascism The Secret History of the American Left from Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning,” by Jonah Goldberg, before you go much further explaining socialism, communism, Mussolini, Hitler and Stalin.

15. Arliss | 10.04.09

My God, the ignorance of you righties is unbelievable!
Claim all you want that Obama did not get as many votes as Bush, that won’t change the fact that he did. In 2000 Bush got 50,456,062 votes, in 2004 Bush got 62,039,073 votes. In 2008 President Obama got 69,297,997 votes while McCain got 59,597,520 votes, you must be an idiot to think these numbers favor conservatives.
306 Million Americans are NOT eligible to vote you idiot!
You forgot that Minors under 18 cannot vote, any convict cannot vote etc.
There are only 169 Million people REGISTERED to vote in this country!
Socialism, Fascism, Communism, Marxism are all mutually exclusive you morons!
I have got to blame the education system in this country for your ignorance of Social Science and History.
Cripes, educate yourself, Beck is not going to do it for you!

To claim that conservatives outnumber Liberals by a 2 to 1 margin just shows the depth of your ignorance. If you were right Obama would NOT be in the White House!

16. Jim | 10.04.09

It is my fondest hope that the GOP doesn’t listen to McCain and continues to do what it is doing. I pray that they choose Palin, that Rush Hannity, Beck etc. keep at it all the way to 2012. I want them to get as many birthers, teabaggers and other real Americans as they can out there on the street with their Obama as a withch doctor, Obama as the joker and Obama as a socialist signs on the streets and in front of the cameras every single day. I want the republicans in congress to keep on saying no to everything. And I hope they keep on critisizing evertything from Obama going to dinner to what Michelle is wearing. I want this because it IS working!

For the Democrats…lol.

17. stinky | 10.04.09

in reference to Hitler, Silas writes:

“he helped the Nationalist Franco, another Fascist, gain power in Spain. The USSR, the real socialists, supported the opposition Republicans.”

UNTRUE. USSR supported Anarchists and Communists which UNDID The Spanish Republic (I should know, because my Clan fought for The Republic). And also, recent forensic analysis details irrefutably that Franco was a self-interested Nationalist, and only pretended to be Fascist, so as to not attract a Nazi invasion. He played both sides. The Brits were the ones who bailed him out of prison and put him back in power (also to avoid Hitler occupying Spain). The American embargo against Franco after the war is proof that Franco was not Axis. Had he been Axis, it would have been AN INVASION, not an embargo. The embargo was just publicity, because England kept Spain well fed, thanks to their ‘colony’ Argentina. That is called BACK DOOR POLITICS. There you have it, sir.

BACK DOOR POLITICS, incidentally folks, is what THIS WHOLE DEBATE IS ABOUT. And you cannot get to the heart of the matter without discussing seedy pragmatic need, a new **** of a thousand paper cuts’ Proxy War / New Cold War combined with climate change and dwindling arable land, dwindling oil, and three times the population that the planet can ultimately sustain. Add on top of that, we went to Iraq because of that plus some treacherous “allies”.

Reality is sooooooo ugly, that that’s why these forums are created. So people can air out their naïve fantasies about politics.

Palin, Beck, etc. They are doing their job. They are a net. They catch their flies. People get on lists. Central government better identifies groups, updates their figures, monitors their grievances to appease, punish, alienate, propagandize or control the “gangs of the Aventine”. The Emperor knows ALL.

Every drop of oil that doesn’t come to us, goes to CHINA. And as far as I’m concerned, those people are savages.

So, the difference between liberal and conservative is basically this: Conservative wants Western Civilization to hold on to as much territory as it can, and is willing to fight and die to do it. Liberal wants to blend and appease. And all the other talking points: Abortion, family, economy, gyrate around that CORE subject.

Us moderates, who consider both of you, Liberals and NeoConservatives LUNATICS, call this ‘checks and balances’. The NSA creates a forum designed for you to rip each other to threads so that us normal people can have some breathing room.

And THAT is the State of Affairs.

18. George Hanshaw | 10.04.09

The inside-the-beltway Republicans are not part of the solution, they are part of the problem. I once had a political seminar in what had been Senator McCain’s nursery. It sat about a stone’s throw from the capitol building. The Senator’s father was a political admiral and his father before him (reminding one of ’sit close by your desk and never go to sea, and you all may be rulers of the Queen’s navy…’) and he was a protege to Barry Goldwater who became an Arizonan only to run for federal elective office which as a resident of DC he couldn’t do.

The fact of the matter is that McCain got the nomination because he was the New York Times choice for the Republican nomination in the hope - no doubt - that he’d be incredibly weak.

We need to make sure the nomination process in the future cannot be manipulated by those who have no interest whatsoever in actually supporting the eventual nominee, or else we’ll continually wind up with these hopeless loser political insiders - like McCain and the Viagra poster-child Bob Dole.

The greatest gift that Lindsay Graham and John McCain could give their party is a quiet retirement.

19. Twisted_Colour | 10.05.09

Wow, what a thread. You normally don’t see such a massive, steaming pile of ignorance in CS monitor comments. As soon a I read the comment suggesting “Liberal Fascism: I Know You Are But What Am I” as a place to learn about socialism, communism, Mussolini, Hitler and Stalin I laughed and laughed and laughed.

If you want to learn about history try a historian, not some hack who needed his mommy to get a job for him.

20. Steven | 10.05.09

“to the equally insane waste of the “stimulus” money (which was the American people’s tax money) the left is a corrupt, pretentious, self-serving cesspool of socialism.”

To Winter Solstice -

You obviously forgot Fall of 2008, when the Republican led Congress proposed the massive spending. Bush, McCain, and Obama supported it.

Did you forget that part?

21. Rick P | 10.06.09

The fact that conservatives don’t know the difference between a facist and a communist is very revealing and referencing Jonah Goldberg is a joke…he is a right wing hack of the highest order!! Here is poly sci 101 explanation:

Communism- The state controls the means of production and the political system is totalitarian.

Facism-An oligarchy of privately held companies run the economy and the political system is totalitarian.

Totalitarianism-Complete dictatorship, cult of personality etc…i.e. Nazi Germany, USSR, Maoist China, N Korea.

The USA and European countries political system(s) are typically “Republic” in form and and our economic systems are mixed.

This is basic stuff!!! Also, what countries have fallen due to socialism? The right acts like socialism is the economic equivalent to the Ebola Virus. So lets look at the good ole’ USA….Social Security has been around for 70 years, Medicare for 40 years, Police and fire departments for over 100 years. Oh but the government can’t run anything. Oh we did land on the moon didn’t we? Thanks NASA! The USA is the strongest country in the world militarily….thank you you socialists in the military!

In the end, the republican party (my former party), is no longer a political party or even an ideology. It is now a theology which has extreme racist tendancies and is geographically limited to the South. The Palinites like to think that the USA can be reverted to a nirvana that never existed. In the “good old” days blacks couldn’t vote, if you were latino you could be deported, even if you were born and raised in the USA. Trust me people its all code for white dominance and they are having a fit knowing that their days as king makers are over. Also, this idea that small town values are superior is ludicrous. I’ve lived in small towns and know that is where you will find the most intolerance. We are now an urban society, with NYC, LA and Chicago metro areas alone accounting for almost a quarter of the population in the USA. Our interests and the interests of small towns are not the same. We have more votes so get over it!

We’ve seen this before btw….prior to the Civil War the slave states used the Federal government to enforce slavery in this country. As soon as the south lost its hold on the House and Senate they started a civil war and began this myth about fighting for state rights. (The truth is that the only obligation of a southern state in the CSA was to support slavery (it was in their constitution!!)). I believe that most of these neo-cons are traitors, as were the southern states who started the Civil War, and should be treated as such. They hate America and the principles on which it was founded. They believe empathy is weakness. The definition of a sociopath is someone who has no empathy for others. Sounds like the republican party for sure!

22. Deb | 10.06.09

Poor, poor America. None of our politicians are interested in working together and obviously, according to this thread, none of our citizens are interested in working together either.

He said, she said, dem did, repub did not, con couldn’t, lib wouldn’t, fascist, communist.

Where is America’s leadership on the national front and the grass roots level?

Thanks for making me LOL today, Mr. Solstice … “Liberal ideas, the by-product of people who believe in death, sodomy, drugs and socialism have destroyed whole nations.” Yikes!!

23. Anna | 10.06.09

How depressing. Ignorance empowered by cook books. Some people will believe anybody and anything to just to get their special twist on reality.
Yes dear people, let’s just elect Sarah Palin (how’s Beck looking for a veep?) and see how much more screwed up our beloved country can get. Meanwhile, other countries are investing in rigorous education and in people thinking about REAL things, and not death panels, threat of socialism, etc.
Oh, I so should not have wasted my time reading this thread.

24. ExRebub | 10.06.09

@ A Former Republican - Amen to that…brilliantly stated. The lunacy of the neo-cons and “Religious Right” (the least non-Christian people imaginable) drove every one of us who are moderates away from the party a long time ago. The truly hilarious part to me is all of the misinformation about “socialism”, “communism”, “fascism”, et al spewed ad nauseaum by this lot. The sheer lack of education is staggering - a flat earth and conspiracy theory behind every door, and a bogeyman behind every governmental doing. It’s not difficult to see how these blind masses figure everyone else is a “lib”…nobody could possibly be any further right of center than they are. And please, neo-cons don’t even come close to outnumbering everyone else. Do some simple, absolute basic statistics kiddies and you’ll see that the political curve favors - wait for it - the middle. Until a decent third party emerges with a true moderate/centrist agenda, I’ll do everything in my power to ensure that the party of Palin, Beck, and Limbaugh fails to get any votes from myself or my family, friends, neighbors, co-workers, church members, etc.

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